Exactly we have only played 6 games so far this season and these negative threads, slating every player only 6 games in arent going to make it any better are they.

Fair enough we maybe should of beat Wakey and Cas at home but Wakey are on good form so far this season and I also wasn't expecting us to beat Leeds or Hull away which we didnt. Going down to Harlequins and picking up 2 points is a good achievement considering we didnt play that well and they have just put 60 past Warrington.

The only reason stats have to be used, is because you are saying Hansen is cluless in attack, where stats otherwise show this is wrong.

I dont get where all this negativity has come from recently, even when we were down the bottom in 2006, there wasn't this much negativity and slating players at every opportunity.

Aslong as we make the playoffs at the end of the season, with our youngsters such as Tomkins, Ainscough, O'Carroll all playing regularly then I'll be happy.

Agreed

Can't believe people are doubting our back row. It is our strongest position and I feel we have good balance there and with Mossop and Farrell coming through it is only going to get stronger

Prop is an issue for us. I can't see Fielden going until the end of his contract although unless he regains some form I think he sould go along with Coley and we should look to bring 2 of Luke Bailey, LMS, Kylie Leuluai and Andy Lynch in but this isn't going to happen

Half back is yet to be resolved and I also think we need another centre to partner Roberts. If we get a decent one we will have a cracking backline with very exciting wingers

It's no negativity it's realism.

I'll all for Wigan (obviously and there progression) I can just see players for what they are and how we've performed this season.

It's not just to do with results but how we are playing which one game apart is poorly.



So you would be happy to make the playoff? What does that mean? In 8th place or 1st place? I expect no one thinks we have a remote chance of 1st or 2nd but if we finish lower in the league than we did last season we will have gone backwards for the third year running and that possibility is at the back of many people minds I think.

Dave

Sorry but you can see players for what you think are. At the end of the day it's all opinions and no ones matter more than any others on here.

There are many, many factors contributing to bad performances from the players to the coaches to even the fans. It would be foolish to try and blame one area as fully to blame.

As you originally noticed I commented on several players being overrated.

I guess its the way you take it then. One player playing badly is never good but several (in your opinion) playing badly then maybe you have to start looking the coaching staff and asking why so many are turning in bad performances?

Why is it so called lesser players at Wakey and Cas are performing above their standings?

Like I said one player not doing it is bad but several then it’s to much of a coincidence?

[quote="thepriestman85"]I guess its the way you take it then. One player playing badly is never good but several (in your opinion) playing badly then maybe you have to start looking the coaching staff and asking why so many are turning in bad performances?

Why is it so called lesser players at Wakey and Cas are performing above their standings?

Like I said one player not doing it is bad but several then it’s to much of a coincidence?[/quote]


Why not ask Tony Smith his thoughts on this

Like I said this thread was about players being overrated.
Fans believe hype then getting upset when the team doesn't perform.

I simply said Hansen IMO is overrated, I have stated why. I also listed several others.

You're banging your head against a brick wall on here, mate.

There are those on here who think "over-rated" means "sh!te". There are players who (as far as the majority on here seem to think) walk on water despite obvious failings, while there are others who if they actually did walk on water people on here would question the quality of the water.

There are players in teams both past and present who have been lauded on this message board and yet this is the only place I heard anything positive about them, similarly some players have been ritually slaughtered on here despite elsewhere being relatively well thought of.

I'm not going to get into the who I rate, don't rate debate, because it's pointless, if you fly in the face of the majority you're castigated as a know nowt. For what it worth I think a lot of posters should re-read the original post and take time to understand its meaning and not assume its an out and out assassination of the current squad.

If that sounds patronising, I apologise, I just think the point has largely been missed.