cadoo wrote:It is players like Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook that the club must be making moves for. Young british players that are a real talent. They are not only good players but they want to play in super league and want to stay in super league so they offer stability to the side because after 2 years you wont need to replace them in theory. Whereas an overseas player will most of the time only want to come to the UK for two or three years towards the end of their career or have no choice to come to the UK because they are below the standards in the NRL.
We need to be anticipating these young talents. In truth we should have moved for Joe Westerman and Sam Burgess. Imagine those two players in the same side. It is what Wigan used to do. They signed up the young players with the most potential - they even got the nickname "the cherry pickers" for doing so. Michael Shenton is another one in the future we should be trying to lure to Wigan. We need to be keeping a watch for these young British players because they are what makes up the core of a successful side.
Ainscough, Shenton, Sam, LMS, Burgess, Westerman in the same side
They will probably be in the England side together in a few years but the thought of them at club level is frightening
cadoo wrote:It is players like Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook that the club must be making moves for. Young british players that are a real talent. They are not only good players but they want to play in super league and want to stay in super league so they offer stability to the side because after 2 years you wont need to replace them in theory. Whereas an overseas player will most of the time only want to come to the UK for two or three years towards the end of their career or have no choice to come to the UK because they are below the standards in the NRL.
We need to be anticipating these young talents. In truth we should have moved for Joe Westerman and Sam Burgess. Imagine those two players in the same side. It is what Wigan used to do. They signed up the young players with the most potential - they even got the nickname "the cherry pickers" for doing so. Michael Shenton is another one in the future we should be trying to lure to Wigan. We need to be keeping a watch for these young British players because they are what makes up the core of a successful side.
Agreed. Most of the "dead weight" in the side are coming off contract. Tim Smith, Cameron Phelps, Richie Mathers, Andy Coley, Phil Bailey. Fortunately most of these players don't need replacing as we have players capable of playing in these positions already in the side (Pat Richards at fullback) or within our academy (Lee Mossop second row, Sam Tomkins at Stand off)
But what it does do is free up some room on the salary cap. We are in need of a prop forward as a replacement for Andy Coley we have the funds available this time so there is no excuses from Ian Lenegan and also there are players of the right standard available as well as I have made evident.
George Carmont and Thomas Leuluai are two players who could also be replaced as I have mentioned in the great mammoth of a post! Michael Dobson would be my prime target - Leuluai + £££ maybe? The centre debate is a big issue. It depends on so many things. How well Karl Pryce fits into the side, how Darrell Goulding progresses this year - in theory we might not need a new centre if these two progress and establish themselves as first team players. Both have the potential. The final matter is how much quality is really available. The only British centre off contract to note is Martin Gleeson. Our opinions are divided on Gleeson I believe Saints and Warrington have had the best years out of him but on the other hand the Aussies must see something in him to be wanting to sign him so you may be right. Otherwise we would have to look overseas, which is fine as long as they bring something to the side that no British player or academy player could & if they are on a wage that reflects their ability. If none of these factors can be achieved then we sign George Carmont for an extra year and then review matters after 2010 when Michael Shenton is off contract.
I've been thinking more and more about LMS and for me he should be our top prop target. Some will say he's not old enough but if you look at the likes of Burgess and Graham it shows what a good youngster can achieve in a good team. Is LMS as good as these two? Probably not but still he’s better than a lot of players even now think how good he can be!! Get him signed now IL
I missed your points out about Noble and i was wondering your thoughts on maybe Kearney? Good young coach whose not only got the WC experience behind him but he's still only a number 2 in the NRL? Lets offer him a top job and take a risk on a good young coach?
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Michael Dobson till 2011 - possibly further.
Did we not go in for Dobson when he came available?
I think we did and he went to Hull K.R. if he had wanted to play for the Club he would have come then but he went for the money.
We don't have D.W and Uncle Mo paying out loads of money now for players we have I.L. who wants to keep us under the cap and get players here for the least possible money.
Until he has a change of hart and decides to pay players the way Saints and Leeds and other clubs do we will never get the best overseas players again they come for the money not the love of the club.
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smithy68 wrote:IT JUST GOES TO SHOW DEALS LIKE THIS DO HAPPEN , KEEPWATCHING THIS SPACE , AS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IT WILL BE DENIED , THEN DENIED AGAIN ,,, BUT BELEIVE ME SALFORD ARE TARGETING YOUNG HARRISON HE IS SEEN AS THE IDEAL PLAYER
I've heard Wigan are targetting Lockyer, Inglis, Thurston and Folau as they are our ideal players. It will be denied, then denied again, but watch this space....
23 - 20 - 4
Warrington led 16-2 in Saturday's Grand Final, but their joy was short-lived as Wigan roared back to win the Super League title and extend the Wire's 58-year wait to be champions
smithy68 wrote:IT JUST GOES TO SHOW DEALS LIKE THIS DO HAPPEN , KEEPWATCHING THIS SPACE , AS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IT WILL BE DENIED , THEN DENIED AGAIN ,,, BUT BELEIVE ME SALFORD ARE TARGETING YOUNG HARRISON HE IS SEEN AS THE IDEAL PLAYER
Which kind of sums up every single thing that's wrong at Salford, and clearly illustrates why they'll soon be disappearing as a professional club.
Cruncher wrote:Which kind of sums up every single thing that's wrong at Salford, and clearly illustrates why they'll soon be disappearing as a professional club.
I agree with the sentiment of your post. These 3 years are Salfords last hurrah. Regardless of mediacityUK and proximity to Manchester, they will be gone come the next round of licences and won't be back.
Orrell Lad wrote:I've heard Wigan are targetting Lockyer, Inglis, Thurston and Folau as they are our ideal players. It will be denied, then denied again, but watch this space....
Oh! More Aussies for Wigan. What happened to bringing your youth through
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