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As a general point, can people be careful when talking about finances and give other clubs same the courtesies you would hope for Rovers to be given (even if that hope is often disappointed). These things can take on a life of their own - Rovers are now often represented as one of RL's biggest financial basketcases, even on the VT and by fans of clubs other than Hull FC, despite their losses being fairly typical for SL. Businesses obviously want to protect their reputations, so please either be vague (eg. 'rumours of trouble at certain clubs') or refer specifically to stuff in the public domain, ideally with a link. Thanks.
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Does anyone know if players now have a clause in their contracts that if they are booted out of SL they are free to look elsewhere?
All i can see is if a team like Salford go down, they will be looking at either been absolutely garbage (getting rid of any player(Holdsworth/gibson/patten) they can for money purposes) or litrally going under and been non-existant.
[quote="Adeybull"] so the panel took the same view as your excellent assessment.[/quote]
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very red robin wrote:Does anyone know if players now have a clause in their contracts that if they are booted out of SL they are free to look elsewhere?
All i can see is if a team like Salford go down, they will be looking at either been absolutely garbage (getting rid of any player(Holdsworth/gibson/patten) they can for money purposes) or litrally going under and been non-existant.
Their contracts will be SL contracts - their new squad might be garbage by SL standards, but they won't be playing SL. The extent of squad-swap between the 'promoted' and 'relegated' clubs will be interesting - but maybe not that much more than us taking Dyer and Ward from Cas - with Barker going the other way iirc. Especially with Widn..., I mean the new SL club finding out so much sooner.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Joined: Mar 22 2009 Posts: 2397 Location: East Hull
Mild Rover wrote:Their contracts will be SL contracts - their new squad might be garbage by SL standards, but they won't be playing SL. The extent of squad-swap between the 'promoted' and 'relegated' clubs will be interesting - but maybe not that much more than us taking Dyer and Ward from Cas - with Barker going the other way iirc. Especially with Widn..., I mean the new SL club finding out so much sooner.
So does that mean they could leave said club without that club getting any £££ for the player?
Also heard Toulouse are an option to come in, but i didnt think they would qualify; anyone got the lowdown about how far off they are?
[quote="Adeybull"] so the panel took the same view as your excellent assessment.[/quote]
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very red robin wrote:So does that mean they could leave said club without that club getting any £££ for the player?
Well yes, but the flip side of that is that if you went down with all your players still on SL contracts, you'd be bust within a fortnight. Very rarely do players command transfers fees, they're usually just released on a mutually beneficial agreement.
very red robin wrote:Also heard Toulouse are an option to come in, but i didnt think they would qualify; anyone got the lowdown about how far off they are?
Only a Grand Final appearance or a Northern Rail Cup victory allows a Championship side to be considered under the remaining criteria. Neither Rovers (My edit:Featherstone), Toulouse nor Leigh have been able to boast that since losing out on the previous licence allocation.
At present, only four teams - last year's Grand Final winners Barrow, beaten finalists Halifax, plus this year's Cup winners Batley and last year's winners Widnes - are eligible for that Super League spot.
very red robin wrote:So does that mean they could leave said club without that club getting any £££ for the player?
Well yes, but the flip side of that is that if you went down with all your players still on SL contracts, you'd be bust within a fortnight. Very rarely do players command transfers fees, they're usually just released on a mutually beneficial agreement.
very red robin wrote:Also heard Toulouse are an option to come in, but i didnt think they would qualify; anyone got the lowdown about how far off they are?
Only a Grand Final appearance or a Northern Rail Cup victory allows a Championship side to be considered under the remaining criteria. Neither Rovers (My edit:Featherstone), Toulouse nor Leigh have been able to boast that since losing out on the previous licence allocation.
At present, only four teams - last year's Grand Final winners Barrow, beaten finalists Halifax, plus this year's Cup winners Batley and last year's winners Widnes - are eligible for that Super League spot.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12664 Location: Leicestershire.
very red robin wrote:So does that mean they could leave said club without that club getting any £££ for the player?
Yep, it'd be like a relegation release clause. The much smaller salary cap in the Championship (as well as massively reduced revenues of course), means that SL contracts couldn't be honoured.
very red robin wrote:Also heard Toulouse are an option to come in, but i didnt think they would qualify; anyone got the lowdown about how far off they are?
Just been reading the thread on the VT. An amendment was made earlier this to the RFL's operating rules, allowing foreign clubs who do not meet the criteria to be invited to apply by the RFL. You don't have to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist to smell a rat there. Toulouse or possibly even Paris , could be joining Widn..., sorry an English Championship club, in SL for 2012. Not good news for Cas/Wakefield/Salford...
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Joined: Apr 06 2006 Posts: 1103 Location: The Heart of East Hull
pmh wrote:Well yes, but the flip side of that is that if you went down with all your players still on SL contracts, you'd be bust within a fortnight. Very rarely do players command transfers fees, they're usually just released on a mutually beneficial agreement.
Only a Grand Final appearance or a Northern Rail Cup victory allows a Championship side to be considered under the remaining criteria. Neither Rovers (My edit:Featherstone), Toulouse nor Leigh have been able to boast that since losing out on the previous licence allocation.
At present, only four teams - last year's Grand Final winners Barrow, beaten finalists Halifax, plus this year's Cup winners Batley and last year's winners Widnes - are eligible for that Super League spot.
there's still plenty of time for fev or leigh though, both must fancy this years final
pmh wrote:Well yes, but the flip side of that is that if you went down with all your players still on SL contracts, you'd be bust within a fortnight. Very rarely do players command transfers fees, they're usually just released on a mutually beneficial agreement.
Only a Grand Final appearance or a Northern Rail Cup victory allows a Championship side to be considered under the remaining criteria. Neither Rovers (My edit:Featherstone), Toulouse nor Leigh have been able to boast that since losing out on the previous licence allocation.
At present, only four teams - last year's Grand Final winners Barrow, beaten finalists Halifax, plus this year's Cup winners Batley and last year's winners Widnes - are eligible for that Super League spot.
Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
sandy wrote:there's still plenty of time for fev or leigh though, both must fancy this years final
Oh I agree, but Fev have already come out and said (sensibly imo) that it's too early for them. I've no idea about Leigh though, I suppose it all comes down to finance with them as The LSV is an excellent facility.
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Joined: Mar 22 2009 Posts: 2397 Location: East Hull
Mild Rover wrote:Yep, it'd be like a relegation release clause. The much smaller salary cap in the Championship (as well as massively reduced revenues of course), means that SL contracts couldn't be honoured.
Just been reading the thread on the VT. An amendment was made earlier this to the RFL's operating rules, allowing foreign clubs who do not meet the criteria to be invited to apply by the RFL. You don't have to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist to smell a rat there. Toulouse or possibly even Paris , could be joining Widn..., sorry an English Championship club, in SL for 2012. Not good news for Cas/Wakefield/Salford...
Yeah thought so, just to me the RFL has already made its mind up to bring a northern french side and a championship club into SL, i personally would be bricking it if Rovers where in the same boat as Salford/Cas/Wakey.
[quote="Adeybull"] so the panel took the same view as your excellent assessment.[/quote]
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, could be joining Widn..., sorry an English Championship club, in SL for 2012. Not good news for Cas/Wakefield/Salford...
