FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Wigan Warriors Tim Smith



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 182 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 19  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:20 pm 
Player Coach
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Feb 12 2006
Posts: 3491
Location: Wigan / Newcastle
LewCharnock wrote:What do people think about the team next week? Do you think Nobby can drop Smith?

I think if he is picking players on their last game, he has to remain in the team. The only change i would make is drop Phelps, with Richards to full back and Ainscough coming back in on the wing. :)


Sounds like a good idea.

Tomkins 6
Smith 7

Riddell 9
Leuluai Interchange 9

Sounds like a very creative trio on the pitch at all times. Plus Ainscough and Amos on the wings gives us attacking options on all sides

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:22 pm 
Club Coach
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Oct 10 2004
Posts: 2651
Location: the quiet west stand
W!64N_ENTHUSI45T wrote:I dont think he needs to take on the line alot to be honest. We saw today how dangerous Tomkins is as a runner and his style can complement Smiths distributing and organising.

I don't mean take on the line a lot, just a few times to keep them guessing. I don't mind if he is tackled, just having a go would be fine.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:23 pm 
Player Coach
Academy Player
User avatar

Joined: Dec 28 2008
Posts: 399
W!64N_ENTHUSI45T wrote:I dont think he needs to take on the line alot to be honest. We saw today how dangerous Tomkins is as a runner and his style can complement Smiths distributing and organising.

Agree entirely - Tomkins needs a player like Smith to get the best out of his undoubted talents - he was doing far too much first receiver distribution playing alongside Leuluai, whereas his strengths clearly lie in broken field running and support play. Just hope that Smith's defence is up to the task against better teams - time will tell.

If Noble has any sense, then he would keep the same halfbacks and use Leuluai as interchange hooker when Sam comes off the bench. Unlucky for McIllorum, but I think his distribution is just a little too slow and ponderous from dummy half for us to carry him in the 17 unless there are injuries.






15th October 1989 - the beginning of a love affair.

Wigan RLFC for life.

oderint dum metuant

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:24 pm 
Player Coach
Fringe Player

Joined: Feb 22 2009
Posts: 710
If he does keep Smith in the team, I dont think Noble will put Leuluai on the bench. I'd imagine one of Smith or Tomkins will start the game on the bench.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:29 pm 
Player Coach
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Feb 12 2006
Posts: 3491
Location: Wigan / Newcastle
giwildgo wrote:Agree entirely - Tomkins needs a player like Smith to get the best out of his undoubted talents - he was doing far too much first receiver distribution playing alongside Leuluai, whereas his strengths clearly lie in broken field running and support play. Just hope that Smith's defence is up to the task against better teams - time will tell.

If Noble has any sense, then he would keep the same halfbacks and use Leuluai as interchange hooker when Sam comes off the bench. Unlucky for McIllorum, but I think his distribution is just a little too slow and ponderous from dummy half for us to carry him in the 17 unless there are injuries.


I watched the Footy show this week and they were talking about Campese and whether he should play 6 or 7, they came to the conclusion that he plays too spontaneous and spare of the moment to be a first reciever and benefits from playing at 6.

After seeing Tomkins today I cant help thinking the same logic applies.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:30 pm 
Player Coach
Academy Player
User avatar

Joined: Dec 28 2008
Posts: 399
Salty wrote:I don't mean take on the line a lot, just a few times to keep them guessing. I don't mind if he is tackled, just having a go would be fine.

His range of passing is far more of an asset than taking on the line - which he isn't particularly good at from previous evidence. We were spoiled in having Barrett at half back who was one of if not the best halfback in SL at taking the ball into the line. But even then his impact dulled as defences got familar. We have two other half backs (Leuluai and Tomkins) who are far better than Smith at taking on the line. Here's a thought why not use them in attacking structures to utilise the things that they are good at and avoid their weaknesses, rather than expecting Smith to be something he never will be.






15th October 1989 - the beginning of a love affair.

Wigan RLFC for life.

oderint dum metuant


Last edited by giwildgo on Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:32 pm 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Mar 27 2006
Posts: 5799
Location: Coventry
I didnt go to the game today but sounds like Smith had a good game, I really rate this player and he has a huge amount of potential. His attacking play is superb. If he can play behind a good pack and improves his defence, then I would much rather see him and Tomkins in the halves with Tommy as the replacement hooker instead of McIlorum.






[b][color=#0000BF]SUPPORT • SPONSOR • PLAY • JOIN A MIDLANDS RUGBY LEAGUE SUCCESS STORY

//www.coventrybears.co.uk[/color][/b]

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:41 pm 
Player Coach
Academy Player
User avatar

Joined: Dec 28 2008
Posts: 399
W!64N_ENTHUSI45T wrote:I watched the Footy show this week and they were talking about Campese and whether he should play 6 or 7, they came to the conclusion that he plays too spontaneous and spare of the moment to be a first reciever and benefits from playing at 6.

After seeing Tomkins today I cant help thinking the same logic applies.

The flashiest half backs are usually those that play off the cuff - Tomkins has the skills to be one of the best if used correctly. What he doesn't need at this stage of his career is the responsibility of organising the attacks and distributing the plays. TL strength isn't in this area either as first receiver - he is better at dummy half, so it makes no real sense to play them together in the halves. Both need a Smith to buy them the freedom to utilise their talents. TL has the added bonus of being able to switch to hooker on the interchange and actually is a better fit there to allow all 3 to be on the pitch at once.

If our pack could actually establish some consistent dominance against decent opposition, we could be devastating in attack given time considering the quality in our outside backs and the presence of Hock / Lockers on the fringes. At the minute, the pack is dominated week to week and makes the halves look a lot worse than they are.

Fingers crossed that if Smith gets a run in the team, that his weaknesses in defence can be masked a little by the presence and experience of Gleeson and Lockers either side. If Saints can find a defensive scheme to accomodate a poor defender like Long for a decade, then a half decent coach should be able to protect Smith from being exposed.






15th October 1989 - the beginning of a love affair.

Wigan RLFC for life.

oderint dum metuant

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:08 pm 
Club Owner
Junior Player

Joined: Oct 13 2003
Posts: 156
Location: Leyland
I thought Smith was OK today. In a good team with people running for him he would be very good.He passes quickly and flat (bit of a novelty in the last few years) organises if the players will actually move into positiion and his distribution is better than anyone else. This is because nobody takes contol.

Similarly Gleeson seems lights years ahead of the others wants the ball, can beat a man, and has a quick play trhe ball however the others are not on thye same wavethength. I am quite/very impressed with him so far, he seems to want to play.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: rl
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:11 pm 
International Chairman
International Star

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 8151
Smith MOM was the right decision for me.
His pass to Lockers which put him into the space for the try was brilliant, the pass of the match.
Very similar to last year's Barrett pass to Joel Tomkins which created quite a few tries.
His dummy when Roberts scored had me looking the other way too. That was outstanding.
I do think today's 17 will be Noble's first choice for the rest of the season injuries permitting.
Smith 6, TL 7, Piggy 9.
Piggy sub'd and TL to 9 Sam T from the bench to 6 or 7.
Smith and Sam T changed around from 6 to 7 in the game.
Smith must start next week and do 80 mins.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 182 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 19  Next





It is currently Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:09 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: exiled Warrior, Fujiman, MattyB, NickyKiss, Wigg'n and 239 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:09 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9m
NRL Expansion
NickyKiss
4
11m
Recruitment rumours and links
Velcro Boots
3601
18m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4102
Recent
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
WYSIWYG2
7
Recent
Rumours and signings v9
MadDogg
28946
Recent
Pre-season
chapylad
8
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
6180
Recent
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2530
Recent
Takeover
Irregular Ho
22
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
WYSIWYG2
7
1m
Doug Laughton
Once were Lo
15
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40890
3m
Film game
Boss Hog
6180
3m
NRL Expansion
NickyKiss
4
4m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
569
5m
2025 Kit
Bully_Boxer
37
6m
Leeds away first up
Another Cas
84
8m
Spirit of the Rhinos
YoRhino
19
9m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63357
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
NRL Expansion
NickyKiss
4
TODAY
Pre-season
chapylad
8
TODAY
Josh Thewlis extents deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Takeover
Irregular Ho
22
TODAY
RIP Syd Hynes
Clearwing
6
TODAY
Small squad numbers
Chesterrhino
7
TODAY
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
WYSIWYG2
7
TODAY
Open Trials
Torbreck
8
TODAY
Shareholder/Fans Forum
alegend
35
TODAY
Elliot Michella extends contract
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Doug Laughton
Once were Lo
15
TODAY
Sports Personality of the Year
rubber ducki
17
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
rollin thund
5
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Huddersfield
5
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Captains Challenge for Televis..
372
England Women Las Vegas train-..
532
Opening Championship and Leagu..
708
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
2002
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1098
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1754
England's Women Demolish The W..
1621
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1846
Operational Rules Tribunal â..
1567
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1798
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2356
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2558
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2796
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2350
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2594
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9m
NRL Expansion
NickyKiss
4
11m
Recruitment rumours and links
Velcro Boots
3601
18m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4102
Recent
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
WYSIWYG2
7
Recent
Rumours and signings v9
MadDogg
28946
Recent
Pre-season
chapylad
8
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
6180
Recent
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2530
Recent
Takeover
Irregular Ho
22
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
WYSIWYG2
7
1m
Doug Laughton
Once were Lo
15
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40890
3m
Film game
Boss Hog
6180
3m
NRL Expansion
NickyKiss
4
4m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
569
5m
2025 Kit
Bully_Boxer
37
6m
Leeds away first up
Another Cas
84
8m
Spirit of the Rhinos
YoRhino
19
9m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63357
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
NRL Expansion
NickyKiss
4
TODAY
Pre-season
chapylad
8
TODAY
Josh Thewlis extents deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Takeover
Irregular Ho
22
TODAY
RIP Syd Hynes
Clearwing
6
TODAY
Small squad numbers
Chesterrhino
7
TODAY
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
WYSIWYG2
7
TODAY
Open Trials
Torbreck
8
TODAY
Shareholder/Fans Forum
alegend
35
TODAY
Elliot Michella extends contract
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Doug Laughton
Once were Lo
15
TODAY
Sports Personality of the Year
rubber ducki
17
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
rollin thund
5
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Huddersfield
5
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Captains Challenge for Televis..
372
England Women Las Vegas train-..
532
Opening Championship and Leagu..
708
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
2002
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1098
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1754
England's Women Demolish The W..
1621
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1846
Operational Rules Tribunal â..
1567
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1798
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2356
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2558
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2796
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2350
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2594


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.