Quote Mintball="Mintball"The recent discussion by the Fabians/Labour over placing a cap on the amount of sugar that could be included in breakfast cereals: I mean, I know that the majority of cereals, no matter how much they are portrayed as healthy, contain sugar (and salt). But it was still a shock to discover that some cereals – particularly those marketed specifically at children – contain [imore than[/i 30% sugar.
Loathe though I am to invoke any idea of 'morality', there is not a single, solitary shred of moral justification for that. And for all that we talk about personal responsibility, why not corporate responsibility too? If responsibility is good, then it should be good per se, large companies shouldn't be exempted from it.'"
I saw a TV program some months ago about marketing cereals to people and in particular into the UK. There simply wasn't such a market for sweet cereals untiil just after WWII.
What the program pointed out was that the companies started adding sugar and removing fibre. That is the cereals were [iprocessed [/ias opposed top pre-war cereals which were mostly not. The addition of sugar was a deliberate attempt to appeal to children and Sugar Smacks introduced in the 1950's were actually 56% sugar.
It also mentioned that for a company, selling processed cereals is a real money spinning exercise because they basically turn what is virtually a useless commodity (the type of grain used) into a highly profitable end product.
There is a very good an d in depth article here that describes the history very well:
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/23/food-book-extract-felicity-lawrence[/url
As it points out it is just amazing we eat the stuff given the manufacturing process takes all the goodness out (in order to make the product stable with good shelf life) and then they put "goodness" back in chemically.
Made me laugh when the man from Kellogs said if they took too much salt and sugar out of cornflakes the packet would taste better.
Quote MintballAnd it is worth repeating that the sort of companies we're talking about employ people with Phds etc to do their marketing; to work out how to sell to people without Phds.'"
This is also true and is along the same lines as marketing such as "Have a break, have a Kit, Kat" or "Milky Way, the bar you can eat between meals". As a country we never used to eat between meals and so marketing was set the task of creating such a market. Cereals have gone down a similar path and the addition of sugar and how that came about as described in the article above is a fascinating insight into marketing.
Quote MintballSomeone with serious qualifications in psychology planning the layout of a supermarket in order to maximise the spend of anyone who walks through the doors. What about the responsibility there?'"
I also saw another program very recently that was debating the obese issue and the right wing libertarian nut case on the show was saying "If poor people want to get fact that is their right". He had put forward the notion that the richer you are the thinner you are. That is not strictly true as obesity is at a level it can't just be confined to the less well off but that was his argument.
Anyway the point he was missing was that marketing [idoes work[/i. It isn't the simple choice thing as he wanted us to believe. If it was there would be no point paying anyone to market anything in the way they do. The opposing view was we need to stop people getting obese via legislation as it's going to cost us a fortune on the NHS. This cut no ice with our libertarian but then he probably thinks we should all pay for our own health care directly so if we "choose" to get fat we can pay for the treatment if there are consequences.
I am not sure a sugar tax is the right way to legislate because we simply need less sugar (and salt and other rubbish) in food. The traffic light system that got kicked out would IMO change the nations diet in a very short time but as you can see if you read the article I linked above cereal companies deliberately adopt a more confusing and misleading approach. Corporate responsibility? Yeah right. Cereal companies are the last place to look for that.