One other point in the comments section of that report is the dodgy claim that 8000 people have moved into jobs rather than face the £500 a week benefit cap - they make a very valid point that to cover that sort of earning in a paid job you'd have to be on a salary of £36k at least, and as we all know those sorts of jobs are two a penny and you can just get up off your sofa having sat there on benefits for the last ten years and simply ask for one of those jobs for it to be so.



As pointed out, the number of claimants entitled to £500 a week is miniscule to the point where in the limited trials that IDS is speaking of there will not have been 8000 people claiming that amount.



The bloke is an idiot but is convinced that he is the most intelligent man in the country and that we are all the stupid ones, in future editions of the Oxford English Dictionary the word "Arrogant" will simply have "Ian Duncan Smith" as its definition.

And erm,



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And don't forget folks, this is from a select committee of MODERATE Tory politicians, the sole purpose of that committee being to present a more voter friendly face of the party in order to hang on to closely contested seats at the next election, said committee being formed by Members who were getting twitchy bums by their far right colleagues in safe seats hogging the limelight.



So what do they offer in a conciliatory vote-winning swing the voters over to our side sort of manner ?



Stick all the pregnant teenagers who only get up the duff so that they can get a free house and £500 a week to live on, you know, those scroungers again, stick them all in hostels so they will think twice and not claim OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY.



They are of course getting the Daily Express readers to write the next manifesto.

Excellent to see some fairness in the welfare state after so long. Not only that but encouraging people into work.

You're not very good at this trolling lark, give it up while you're still a fair way behind.

How am I trolling by praising a measure which 70% of the public support?

You haven't even read the last page have you, in your haste to post one of your stock phrases you don't even know what the topic is anymore or that no poll exists to support IDS's idiocy or the latest missive from the 40Group.



Your problem is that your trolling account is threadbare now, everyone knows what you are about, we all know that you post comments purely to get a reaction in some cheap thrill for recognition, and we are all too aware that you contribute nothing to any debate at all.



You need to consider dumping that user account and re-register as something else.

Never mind his/her rather obvious unwillingness to answer direct questions.



Either a very obvious troll or someone whose ability to think for themselves was removed by surgery some time ago.

No I post my opinions. Don't like them, don't read them or respond.

Thats the problem - you don't post your opinions.



I'd love to discuss some of the finer points of political strategy with you, so would others, but you don't offer anything to any debate and never have, you're like the kid who pokes a stick in a wasps nest and then runs away without explaining why or wondering what the wasps look like in real life.



Go away and think of another new user name and persona because this one is too obvious now.

I just did - I said it is excellent to see fairness in the welfare state - that is an opinion. Incidentally an opinion shared by the vast majority of the population. Just because you don't like it does not mean it is not an opinion.









No.

I believe that its not an opinion shared by "the vast majority" of the population.



There is no valid response to my argument because I have invoked the Ian Duncan Smith standard syntax but please feel free to try and prove your opinion correct.







Of course, to be sensible, if asked the question "Do you want to see fairness in the welfare state?" then almost 100% of the population would tick the "Yes" box, only the lunatic would tick "No, I want it to be unfair".



Its how you arrive at a definition of the word "fair" that is the crux and this current administration by its own admission want to play no part in any sort of debate over what they consider to be "fair", they will simply trot out a string of statistics that even their own departments have to correct and state that they have been mis-quoted or mis-used, culminating in the biggest culprit, IDS, simply stating that he doesn't really care if his department correct him anymore because what he thinks is more important than the actual facts of any matter that he sees fit to pillorize.



Now if you are running your own private business then you can run it in any way you see fit to, truth or no truth, ignore facts, tell lies, its your company you do what the hell you like - but we expect slightly more integrity from our politicians, telling the truth should be top of their agenda, using statistics in the correct context should be part of that and when that politician is a Minister in charge of a department with the biggest expenditure in The House, then not having his own colleagues point out that he is not telling the truth should be of paramount importance to him, but its not, he doesn't actually care.



Caring is another attribute that is good in a politician.

"I believe that this to be right, I believe that we are already seeing people going back to work who were not going to go back to work,"



Brilliant, utterly utterly brilliant.