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| Don't know what the fuss is about really.
The majority of coppers I've encountered over the years [iare[/i plebs.
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| Quote ZACH="ZACH"So 120,000 to 130,000 coppers and to quote you "most are bent".
Oh the joys of the well educated ones with well reasoned arguments. Words sadly fail me.
What we have here is an MP who has sworn at police officers by his own admittance. That to me is contempt. They were simply carrying out orders.
We then have a situation were a third party police officer has seen fit for reasons only known to him to make political gain from it.
I am sure we will find out why sometime next year. Either with an IPCC statement or a court appearance.
I am curious in all this to know why [uWest Midlands police[/u federation became so involved in this matter. It had absolutely nothing to do with them. They don't directly represent Met officers yet got themselves tangled up in this sorry saga.'"
The bentest of the bent.
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB"icon_lol.gif
The bentest of the bent.'"
As long as Mitchell wasn't playing cards with his mates beforehand he'll be ok.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"As long as Mitchell wasn't playing cards with his mates beforehand he'll be ok.'"
Yes, playing card residue can be very explosive.
At least they always got their man (e)
Even though it was usually the wrong one(s).
[urlhttp://www.innocent.org.uk/misc/wmidlands.html[/url
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| Quote The Video Ref="The Video Ref"So, the e mail, which we now know came from an off-duty copper posing as a member of the public, was sent BEFORE the police log was leaked. We now know that this person was not present at the time of the incident and that their e mail was a complete and utter falsehood.
The contents of this e mail are strikingly similar to the police log. Enough so to suggest that there was collusion between the authors. With this in mind, if coppers are going to lie about being at the scene, they would probably think nothing of fabricating what Mitchell (allegedly) said.
It's looking more and more like a fit up every day. The police have lost all credibility, and if this was a court case it would have been binned by now.'"
Why do you think it even comes close to suggest collusion between the authors? Would it not be much more likely that the police officer who has been arrested had seen the police log rather than been involved in writing it?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Why do you think it even comes close to suggest collusion between the authors? Would it not be much more likely that the police officer who has been arrested had seen the police log rather than been involved in writing it?'"
Of course it's far more likely. But that wouldn't fit the agenda of the poster in question.
The lack of critical thinking ability displayed by a few on this thread is both laughable and depressing.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"But that wouldn't fit the agenda of the poster in question.
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2 arrests made, dodgy CCTV and a team of 30 investigating what happened and somehow the people wanting truth and justice are the ones with 'an agenda' - baffling.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Of course it's far more likely. But that wouldn't fit the agenda of the poster in question.
The lack of critical thinking ability displayed by a few on this thread is both laughable and depressing.'"
To be fair, its probably not much worse than is normal on Rlfans when the police are subject to criticism.
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| Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"2 arrests made, dodgy CCTV and a team of 30 investigating what happened and somehow the people wanting truth and justice are the ones with 'an agenda' - baffling.'"
The second arrest has nothing to do with the original incident:
Quote Ajw71The arrest related to events that allegedly occurred last Friday.
He was arrested on suspicion of deliberately helping or encouraging an offence, though police would give no more details about the suspected offence.'"
So no conspiracy there. In fact no evidence whatsoever of any conspiracy anywhere. And the people harking on about police conspiracies aren't after 'truth and justice'. They're just desperate to score political points.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"The second arrest has nothing to do with the original incident:
So no conspiracy there. In fact no evidence whatsoever of any conspiracy anywhere. And the people harking on about police conspiracies aren't after 'truth and justice'. They're just desperate to score political points.'"
Oh excellent news. With your so obviously superior critical thinking skills maybe you can contact Scotland Yard and let them know not to bother with the thirty person investigation. I'm sure they will realise once it's you that's called, they don't need to bother with an investigation.
That was sarcasm by the way. Just in case you thought I was being serious.
A cabinet minister was involved in the incident. If you don't think it's going to get political you are on a different planet. Labour certainly made enough capital out of it. But I assume that's OK is it?

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| Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"Oh excellent news. With your so obviously superior critical thinking skills maybe you can contact Scotland Yard and let them know not to bother with the thirty person investigation. I'm sure they will realise once it's you that's called, they don't need to bother with an investigation.'"
My superior critical skills enable me not to see conspiracies where there is no evidence of any, and to realise that what's being investigated is (in one case) the conduct of a Police officer and (in the second) an unspecified offence that took place just a few days ago.
Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"That was sarcasm by the way. Just in case you thought I was being serious.'"
I always treat everything you post as a joke.
Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"A cabinet minister was involved in the incident. If you don't think it's going to get political you are on a different planet. Labour certainly made enough capital out of it. But I assume that's OK is it?'"
Where exactly have I suggested that it wouldn't get political?
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| The really fun thing about all of this is watching how Cameron handles the next few days and weeks.
Conservative governments have always courted the police, the Thatcher government were a prime example of bringing the police federation on board knowing that they would need them in times of civil unrest when their own brand of "economies" were put into place, and in turn, with individual exceptions noted, the police have always been supportive of whatever government has been in power, its that sort of service, very similar to the Armed Forces no matter what the individuals political thoughts they swear an oath to The Queen and her government and promise to follow her/their every instruction.
Its why you see police officers kettling demonstrators rather than joining them.
Now that the situation is festering with every new day, now that Mitchell and his not insignificant supporters, including the media who are hanging on his every new statement, have publically stated that they have no confidence in the Met Police Commissioner what will Cameron do ?
Does he follow Mitchells lead and use stronger words than the ones he used the other day when he suggested that the police MAY be culpable, dare he have a public row with the Metropolitan Police, dare he suggest that the armed police officers who stand at the end of his street shielding himself and his family from terrorism are corrupt and make up stories about his mates and colleagues in order to discredit them - will he employ a private security company to protect himself if he doesn't trust The Met?
Group 4 for instance ?
Good laugh these posh boys aren't they ?
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