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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"You seem to be suggesting that the government should have planned for a once in generation epidemic - The US has the most advanced medical system in the world and it can't cope. You are angry but you need to be more realistic about what should have been in place. Why would you have thousands of respirators that in normal circumstances would not get used, or millions of items of PPE that again wouldn't get used - surely that would have been a criminal waste of money that could have been invested more effectively?
Where this country is truly great is in its innovation - so the work by the Mercedes F1 team is an example of why this country is so special - perhaps just once you will celebrate something truly remarkable that has happened here.
We have a low number of ICU beds but not massively out to what we normally use - why would we have thousands of unused ICU beds just in case - it madness - yes for three months out decades of use it might not be enough but you well know you design systems around the norm with an element of flex not around a doomsday scenario.
It seems to me this is a great opportunity to attack the Tories and by God you haven't wasted that opportunity.'"
Are you suggesting that the circa 100,000 vacancies that the Tories chose to ignore for 10 years were never required and that had the majority of those posts been filled, the the NHS would have been overstaffed ?
Of course we wouldn't have had staffing levels to cope with the current crisis but, the starting point would clearly have been better, even a fool could see that.
And yes, of course, it's great to see innovation but, should we applaud this or remember what SOME people had been saying for years, in that, the NHS was already at crisis point.
It's great having 1000's of volunteers and in the circumstances, you would expect nothing less but, to pretend that everything was great etc, is just not how it was.
The final point is that everyone is now expecting the country to value the NHS and it's staff and rightly so but, SOME were saying this BEFORE the pandemic but, the TORY government chose to freeze their wages, forcing many to look elsewhere for work - regardless of the number of volunteers, we could have done without them not having left the service in the first instance 
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Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
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Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 8089369601 | |
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Quote King Street Cat="King Street Cat"Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 8089369601'"
As requested.
I remember his appearance and he was absolutely correct. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was well aware of the effect of CV19 around the world from the get-go as I was dealing with the effects of travel/border restrictions every day and watching as country by country the situation deepened.
It's worth recalling that even in early March, many eminent scientists still viewed this as another SARS/MERS - nasty but possible to contain and eliminate fairly successfully. We easily forget this is a new virus. Antigen and antibody tests barely existed, certainly not in large number, and those that did were often not accurate enough. The nature of the virus was largely unknown. We didn't know exactly what it did or exactly how infectious it was - something underestimated globally due to the fact people can be shedding whilst asymptomatic, unlike SARS/MERS. There's still a lot about it we don't know.
The West hadn't experienced SARS/MERS, unlike many countries in Asia, who therefore had responses and facilities in place for precisely such an event. Leaping into action wasn't as simple for us. That said, I've said before we were too late locking down and we could have done more.
I have no particular love for Fiona Bruce but you're seeing something that's not there. She simply looks at her notes and the audience and gives a little sigh. It's certainly not aimed at the mention of care homes. |
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Quote King Street Cat="King Street Cat"Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 8089369601'"
As requested.
I remember his appearance and he was absolutely correct. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was well aware of the effect of CV19 around the world from the get-go as I was dealing with the effects of travel/border restrictions every day and watching as country by country the situation deepened.
It's worth recalling that even in early March, many eminent scientists still viewed this as another SARS/MERS - nasty but possible to contain and eliminate fairly successfully. We easily forget this is a new virus. Antigen and antibody tests barely existed, certainly not in large number, and those that did were often not accurate enough. The nature of the virus was largely unknown. We didn't know exactly what it did or exactly how infectious it was - something underestimated globally due to the fact people can be shedding whilst asymptomatic, unlike SARS/MERS. There's still a lot about it we don't know.
The West hadn't experienced SARS/MERS, unlike many countries in Asia, who therefore had responses and facilities in place for precisely such an event. Leaping into action wasn't as simple for us. That said, I've said before we were too late locking down and we could have done more.
I have no particular love for Fiona Bruce but you're seeing something that's not there. She simply looks at her notes and the audience and gives a little sigh. It's certainly not aimed at the mention of care homes. | |
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"I have no particular love for Fiona Bruce but you're seeing something that's not there. She simply looks at her notes and the audience and gives a little sigh. It's certainly not aimed at the mention of care homes.'"
I don't think she's showing any targetted disdain towards care homes. Remember this is nearly 2 weeks before lockdown. She just looks like she's thinking, "here we go again! He's banging on about care homes now". I just find that particular clip very prescient now we know the extent to which it has ripped through care homes. | | | |
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"As requested.
I remember his appearance and he was absolutely correct. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was well aware of the effect of CV19 around the world from the get-go as I was dealing with the effects of travel/border restrictions every day and watching as country by country the situation deepened.
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You could always do a cummings and predict it coming, by doctoring your posts, when it was already upon us. | | | |
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