Hand on heart, if the Labour leadership was based on all Labour voters, rather than activists (i.e. millions rather than hundreds of thousands), do you think Corbyn would have got anywhere near the leadership? Because its those voters, plus swing voters who can make Labour electable.



The left as a stand alone offering hasn't won an election for 40 years, and the patterns of voting suggest that is not going to change, especially as Labour has managed to lose Scotland at least for the time being. Getting agitated and yelling that its just because people don't understand or have forgotten socialist ideals is what fringe activists have always done and it just doesn't work.



If like Corbyn you think that small bands of protestors are more important than actually getting elected, then sobeit. But right now Labour is looking more like a fringe protest movement than a credible opposition.

www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/1 ... my_Corbyn/ A fantastically refreshing piece of common sense. I am, however, starting to worry about Corbyn's safety.

www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/1 ... my_Corbyn/ A fantastically refreshing piece of common sense. I am, however, starting to worry about Corbyn's safety.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... y-fear-him Another. It's hard to believe this article was written almost a year ago during the first leadership campaign. Everything, [ieverything[/i that Owen Jones predicted in his article has either come to fruition or we are witnessing daily now. Jones is either clairvoyant or a very clever political analyst. It is all so frighteningly contrived. We, the public, are pawns played like the proverbial fiddle. Scary stuff.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... y-fear-him Another. It's hard to believe this article was written almost a year ago during the first leadership campaign. Everything, [ieverything[/i that Owen Jones predicted in his article has either come to fruition or we are witnessing daily now. Jones is either clairvoyant or a very clever political analyst. It is all so frighteningly contrived. We, the public, are pawns played like the proverbial fiddle. Scary stuff.

By "refreshing" I assume you mean putting across views that chime with your own? They are both utter tripe as far as I can tell. The establishment might well fear a move towards socialism, but that has not and will not ever happen under Corbyn.



Perhaps the oddest thing for me with respect to so much of the commentary in favour of Corbyn is the sheer hypocrisy of it.



Firstly Corbynistas (I feel able to use that ridiculous term because Corbyn acolytes love to do the same) constantly bemoan him being demonised by the press whilst happily demonising Labour MPs who don't rate him (Blairites, Bliarites, Tory Lites, Neo-Libs, Red Tories etc etc).



The second issue is the irony of ignoring Corbyn's history of defying the party whip yet complaining about disloyalty of others. Somehow when Jeremy defied the party it was a moral stance, and yet when MPs defy him its disloyal? Just staggering hypocrisy.



The worst thing is that when some Labour MPs have reported threats from supposed Labour supporters for their lack of loyalty to the great man (who unlike Corbyn's fans actually have to work with him), its downplayed as just part of the hurly burly of politics, aided by Corbyn's pathetically lukewarm response. Corbyn himself has made (very thinly) veiled threats about deselection for MPs who who show disloyalty to him.



If it wasn't a major threat to democracy this whole thing would be laughable. Sadly the Judean People's Front vs People's Front of Judea is being played out real time by the supposed opposition.

I'm not even kicking around for the vote.



Not my party any more. I quit on Saturday.

For the record, I would have abandoned all principles to support the candidate who, when sending canvassing emails and texts, used the preferred name I supplied instead of my full first and middle names in all caps. It's an experience not unlike being shouted at by my mother.