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| Quote ="des lawson"That was pathetic,sheens was good coach,bobby charlton was a good footballer,as was geoff hurst but sadly they are past it.The games moved on,the drop off inside pass isnt working,lee at off half aint working,why do we put dagger(somebody with a bit of pace) against wigan win,and then change back to lee at off half,who couldnt make a break with no opposition.
Sheens,atkins is a scrum half,lee is a hooker,can you take that on board.'"
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"First 20 mins of no effort in defence lost us that game.
Apart from that, journeyman Lee offers nothing in any position either in defence or attack. Salter was complete outclassed. Moss, for all his efforts, is just way too small. Walne is rubbish. Bobby tried too hard. Vaivai went missing (probably having to help Moss too much). Quinlans kick off was just unacceptable. There's a reason Smith has been loaned out by Saints.
The only players worth anything tonight were Atkin (no surprise) and Greenwood.
We are badly missing Lunt, Carney, Heff and Mulhearn and Lawler.
Cas were always going to bounce back but its the manner of our disinterested defence that disheartens me. Roll on July and Lunt's return.'" that's how I saw it bud spot on imo. the young saints hooker is miles away and 5 or 6 years of salter is enough
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| We have let better prospects of our own go and bringing in the Saints kid isn't good for team morale.Stilll feel Moss has plenty to offer but is a luxury in a pop gun team. Weak willed weak bodied.Yes Cas played fast and hard but so did we last week .The range between our good performance and poor ones is far too wide
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| I'm not against bringing in a loan hooker I don't believe it damages morale it's just this kid brings nothing and for all the cries for Moss to play well he did and he did nothing too lightweight for me
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| I didnt expect us to get the win last night but i did expect us to be competetive though, the first 20 minutes was probably the most inept ive seen for a while, no effort, energy or passion.
It just shows how poor Wigan must have been last week.
Sheens talking about the changes he had to make on the edges doesnt cut it with me either, Carney yes but Wallis and Dagger were his choice, saying that we could have played the 1st choice Aussie backs behind that pathetic pack and still got dry bummed.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"I'm not against bringing in a loan hooker I don't believe it damages morale it's just this kid brings nothing and for all the cries for Moss to play well he did and he did nothing too lightweight for me'"
Well if their is a middle eights maybe then we might win more games on the trot and we should have all our good players back I bet the list to not keep certain players is growing
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| All the lads catching it in the neck (Moss, Smith, Atkin ) are all potentially good players but only Atkin you would say would be first choice in their positions? At the time non are good enough to step into a weakened side which even at full strength is only mid table at best. Salter & lee are what we ask of them utility options & back up bench players. We are just unfortunate that we have to use all the afore mentioned as starting players. All the above would do Ok in a side on thier own but are lacking as a collective. It is going to be hard going but as we proved last week there is the glimpse of a decent team in there.
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| Nothing complicated about it, and as has been said too many times, the pack is not collectively good enough and way too small. The adage the pack wins you the game and the backs decide by how much is so true, and recruitment in this area has been a big big failure.
Last night we were bullied again, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the other teams in the eights will recruit before the split, and if we don,t we are in real trouble, we are in trouble now.
If and it,s a massive if, our key players are back in time we have a chance, but cannot rely on that.
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Smug get'"
He is smug, but I wouldnโt be smug if I was him seeing the coaches around me getting sacked. Surely the board have to act soon and either make big changes to the squad or bring in a new coach?
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| Quote ="DGM"He is smug, but I wouldnโt be smug if I was him seeing the coaches around me getting sacked. Surely the board have to act soon and either make big changes to the squad or bring in a new coach?'" on holiday last week?
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| First of all I want to say last night was one of the most welcoming grounds in SL and the robins fans I spoke to were bang on. I feel for you lot at the minute because it takes me back to Cas before 2014, no passion, no bright spark and no direction. If I were a HKR fan Iโd be seriously questioning the effort of some of your players who looked disinterested from kick off. All the best for the rest of the season
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"First 20 mins of no effort in defence lost us that game.
Apart from that, journeyman Lee offers nothing in any position either in defence or attack. Salter was complete outclassed. Moss, for all his efforts, is just way too small. Walne is rubbish. Bobby tried too hard. Vaivai went missing (probably having to help Moss too much). Quinlans kick off was just unacceptable. There's a reason Smith has been loaned out by Saints.
The only players worth anything tonight were Atkin (no surprise) and Greenwood.
We are badly missing Lunt, Carney, Heff and Mulhearn and Lawler.
Cas were always going to bounce back but its the manner of our disinterested defence that disheartens me. Roll on July and Lunt's return.'"
I was there last night and I think you are doing an injustice to Cas. They would have blasted most teams away in that 20 minute spell. Some of the Rugby they played last night was sublime.
I agree the Atkin situation though. He has been one of your better players this season and especially with McGuire out it's baffling why he's playing out of position.
I can't see you getting relegated. All your injuries seem to be to your best players but once they are back you'll be ok.
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| Who would replace Tim ? And what different would it make we would still have the same squad, we have had bad luck this season but unless your going to have a better replacement Shaun wane or somebody then sticking with Tim is ower best option Tim nows where going to be in middle 8s and will probably have some recruitment coming plus most ower players back so if we stay up then itโs job done
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| What does Joe Cator have to do to get a game? Can tell he cares. A lot lot more than Lee or Tickle. Speaking of tickle he must have lost more ground than he made last night. Coming out of that ground last night I thought we're in free fall for the championship.
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| Quote ="Davetherobin"Who would replace Tim ? And what different would it make we would still have the same squad, we have had bad luck this season but unless your going to have a better replacement Shaun wane or somebody then sticking with Tim is ower best option Tim nows where going to be in middle 8s and will probably have some recruitment coming plus most ower players back so if we stay up then itโs job done'"
Another coach may have brought some decent forwards in pre or early season,becuase every rovers fan knew our pack was nowhere near good enough and lee,tickle,walne etc are not good enough or big enough,kavanagh is a dud,clarkson tries hard works hard and would be ok in a bigger pack,greenwood remains potential,blair should be in the 2nd row.We are not short of pace in the backs,dagger,wallis,moss vaivai,oakes yet we persist with players who have no pace,all lee does is throw the inside pass and the opposition is just waiting for them.It took 25 mins last night to get in to the opposition half with the ball,so what chance do the backs have ?
How sheens cannot start with atkins is beyond me,as he is the only fit halfback who looks like doing anything going forward.
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| Oh and Jamie Peacock is a W*nker
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| Quote ="EastHullUTR"Oh and Jamie Peacock is a W*nker'" why don't you tell him, he is at the ground most days ,criticism is one thing, personal insults against your own club is another,
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| The Hull fan was right we're forgetting how good Cas where we just couldn't handle the speed they played at and they would have blown most teams off the park and people calling for Sheens head is ridiculous we haven't the strongest squad and then take all the quality out of it what do you expect
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| Oh and Jamie Peacock is a W*nker
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My perception of DGMโs #prayfor thing has gone through various stages of but for me it has weirdly become funny. The joke being that he thinks it humorous.
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| Quote ="EastHullUTR"Oh and Jamie Peacock is a W*nker'"
Iโm all for a bit of forum rough and tumble, and iโve expressed my dismay at Peacockโs gradualist philosophy on occasion (to use a medical metaphor, thereโs a time for a chat about reducing cholesterol intake and thereโs a time to crack out the defibrillator). However, insults without context donโt add much to the discussion.
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| Quote ="EastHullUTR"What does Joe Cator have to do to get a game? Can tell he cares. A lot lot more than Lee or Tickle. Speaking of tickle he must have lost more ground than he made last night. Coming out of that ground last night I thought we're in free fall for the championship.'"
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"The Hull fan was right we're forgetting how good Cas where we just couldn't handle the speed they played at and they would have blown most teams off the park and people calling for Sheens head is ridiculous we haven't the strongest squad and then take all the quality out of it what do you expect'"
The manner of last week's win raised hopes and to then get well beaten at home with seemingly little fight shown makes the negatives more noticeable.As a team we seem to be playing teams when they are getting key players back or on the back of a bad display and they bounce back Catalans have just had Salford and Leeds whilst both were vulnerable and have played themselves back into form.That game last night should have been us going hard from first minute.One way traffic til Scrut and Mose held back the tide a little. Game over and went down with a whimper. Bit tough at the moment as a fan but we've seen it all before.If we stay up then it really doesn't matter how .But huge improvements are needed
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