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| If they had simply meant teams finishing 1 and 2 go up and then some others fight for a grand final place and whoever is in the final both go up as well, why didn't they say so?
That would mean team 2 don't play in the play-offs, there would be no point, since they were up already.
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| Quote ="weighman"Are you winding me up.'"
No I am not, don't you recognise sloppy wording when you see it?
Ambiguity?
See my post above.
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| Hello is there intelligent life out there???
Anyone?
Simple question, is this......
Quote “These will be the Championship One champions, the play-off final winning team, the play-off final runners up and the next highest placed club in Championship One.'''"
Meant to mean this........?
Quote ''These will be the top two teams in Championship 1 plus the two teams in the Play-off Final.
These latter two will come from a play off of clubs finishing 3 down to 8 in Championship 1. '''"
Or whatever number they pick for a play-off.
It's got to really, anything else is as silly as the wording.
It is putting the next highest placed team at the end that gives it ambiguity.
Compare these two.....
Quote “These will be the Championship One champions, the play-off final winning team, the play-off final runners up and the next highest placed club in Championship One.'''"
Quote “These will be the Championship One champions, the next highest placed club in Championship One and the play-off final winning team and the play-off final runners up.'' '"
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| I think they worded it that way to emphasise that it was the next highest placed team after all the previous criteria (1st place and finalists) had been met, however it is superfluous wording.
In real terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd are all guaranteed promotion as there is no possible combination that would not see all those meet at least one of the criteria. The 4th promotion spot goes to the other play off finalist (unless that final was 2nd v 3rd in which case the team in 4th goes up)
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| The above holds the caveat that the 2012 play off system is the same as the 2011 system
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| I appreciate the playoffs are loaded in favour of the 2nd/3rd clubs but a lower placed club could reach the GF.
The answer is for the Dons come top of the league !
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| Quote ="Jemmo"The above holds the caveat that the 2012 play off system is the same as the 2011 system'"
Mmmmmmm  , how many years has that system been in operation ? Time for a change , let's face it , 3 years is more than enough stability for the Championships 
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| Quote ="weighman"I appreciate the playoffs are loaded in favour of the 2nd/3rd clubs but a lower placed club could reach the GF.
The answer is for the Dons come top of the league !'"
Yes, but only 1 lower placed team can, therefore guaranteeing 1st, 2nd and 3rd all go up.
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| Yes thanks Jemmo, my assumptions earlier about 2 clubs from 4 to 7th grtting to to the GF were wrong.
What about the 3 year secure tenure , do we have this in place ?
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| Quote ="Jemmo"I think they worded it that way to emphasise that it was the next highest placed team after all the previous criteria (1st place and finalists) had been met, however it is superfluous wording.
In real terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd are all guaranteed promotion as there is no possible combination that would not see all those meet at least one of the criteria. The 4th promotion spot goes to the other play off finalist (unless that final was 2nd v 3rd in which case the team in 4th goes up)'"
Thank goodness for that .....
But that's not ideal either is it?
Opening another can of worms (just for the sake of it  ).
The losing team between 2 and 3 can be beaten by the winner of the lower play-off teams therefore out of the final, but having lost again (that's twice on the trot) are then still promoted.
That's lovely.
Why not just promote 1, 2 and 3 and have a play-off for fourth?
Or why not just promote 1 to 4 for one season only?
Answer = there would be less games and dosh.
So they concoct a cock-up instead.
So I presume they will alter the play-offs to avoid this.
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| Quote ="DRAGONFAN"And neither do i----but should the likes of Hemel, Bristol, Coventry, Northampton, Chester and such not be given a chance.
We can hardly argue against the Super-League becoming a closed shop and then say we want the Championship to adopt the very same thing.'"
Would Hemel and Co be restricted in the numbers of oversea players and most of the teams stated would struggle to beat any of the 3 Donny amateur sides.
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| Quote ="Marshland"Most of the teams stated would struggle to beat any of the 3 Donny amateur sides.'"
As i'm sure would the likes of London and Gateshead.
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| All the RFL are bothered about is Flags on the map and bigger the town/city the better.
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| Quote ="Marshland"Would Hemel and Co be restricted in the numbers of oversea players and most of the teams stated would struggle to beat any of the 3 Donny amateur sides.'" Overseas players 
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| 8 more for the Dons.
According to the RL Express TM wants 8 more signings, 1 more from 2011 squad 7 new faces.
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| All gone a bit quiet on the transfer front, no doubt things going on behind the scenes.
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| Nev Morrison signed for Sheffield.
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| Quote ="fargrange1"Nev Morrison signed for Sheffield.'"

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| Nev M is old news , come on lads keep up . 
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| News of recent signings............

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| And even more news.........

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| Both Monday morning RL papers report that TM is playing down links with former Wakefield and Barrow half back Jamie Rooney.
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| Quote ="Wanderer"Both Monday morning RL papers report that TM is playing down links with former Wakefield and Barrow half back Jamie Rooney.'"
We've signed his older brother instead................

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| Rumour that Rooney has signed for Limoux .
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