Maybe the player should look at himself and consider what he has achieved in the game compared to Hodgson.



He might think Hodgson is a "complete wet wipe" as a coach but Hodgson as a player has achieved things that player can only dream of.



If that player had a better attitude it would have made Hodgson's job a lot easier.



Hodgson is only part of the problem.

Taylor, Houghton, Griffin look to have survived another coaching change

Possibly Shaul as well

I'm holding out hope Wakey will take him

Leaving Wigan firstly on loan to Salford and then to us was a sign his ambition isn't that high, if you want to win things you don't leave Saints/Wigan/Leeds, we ended 2015 in 8th and while we had made some good signings for 2016 I don't think anyone was tipping us for a trophy, it was a step down for him at the time.



Edit: probably quoted the wrong post here, im not suggesting the mystery wedding guest was Taylor, ive no idea!

Hodgson to saints, winning them their 5th super League in a row in 2023 and making us realise he wasn't the problem all along?



(I know it won't happen, but I could imagine the saints players actually respecting him, buying into his philosophies and him succeeding there).

In 16 we had Ellis, Mini, Manu and Pritchard to keep people in check. We've no leaders, no one to call the shots. It feels like the lunatics are running the asylum

Hodgson is a decent person, let down by his senior players.

Those players might win the battle, but won’t win the war. Supporters can see it for what it is now.

While I agree he didn't help his cause bringing in Reynolds who isn't exactly Mr Professional and Gale just hasn't worked. Changing the Halves was a big opportunity to change the style of play and the culture.

If players are just doing what they want at the club, Pearson and Clarke both need to take responsibility as well. A head coach can onlu do so much but its the board who rip up contracts.

When Griffin tells the coach to F off and walks out of training, and all BH says is come back tomorrow with a better attitude, then maybe they are all at fault

Said a while ago that I’d have Hodgson as DOR, and Smith coaching the team. Looks like they were looking at doing it the other way around.



Whatever happens, if we get a new coach the pressure from the fans will be on the players. Hope they feel that because they sold Hodgson out in a big way from sounds of it.

Don't think Smith would take too kindly to working under someone. Its part of the reason things deteriorated at Rovers.



He wanted more involvement in the club, Lakin told him to concentrate on the team. The two of them kept butting heads.

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/ ... ks7qQ&s=19 Gordon Tallis could easily be talking about us here

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/ ... ks7qQ&s=19 Gordon Tallis could easily be talking about us here

Talking a lot of sense!



He knows best

If any of these tales about players are true then maybe we should back the coach for once rather than letting the players force another one out.

Hodgson hasn't set the world alight though so no easy answers to this mess.

The only certain thing is if we do ditch Hodgson then next coaching appointment really is make or break.

It's not always the case with Tallis





But he's right about effort

If any of the tales about the players are true then any player found guilty of insubordination etc should have their contracts terminated for misconduct as they are clearly not here for the good of the club.



As for Hodgson unfortunately he has proved he hasn't got the authority in him nor the presence to stamp his mark to lead a group of professional players as a Head Coach so regardless of the players, backing him any further for me just delays the inevitable. We need a Coach that can instil discipline within the group as a whole but also at individual level. It seems training is run more like coffee mornings and certain bad apples run things as opposed to the having the law laid down as to what is expected and what is not tolerated, Hodgson is just far too soft and nice. I also believe that Purtill should follow Hodgson out the door as his assistant and righthand man he has also failed for the same reasons. Ellis I would give some benefit too as he is not an experienced coach and due to the poor leadership from above he will have found it difficult as I have no doubt if he didn't agree with Hodgson he would say so but respect the Head Coaches decisions and do as asked as he is a true pro.



Our recruitment in all fairness when you look at it has been and is still pretty poor and we are now back to the days when we had very little in the way of genuine quality across the pitch just a team of average players and too many utility players. When AP is spending up to the salary cap and you look at the squad even for next season you really have to ask where is that money being spent.



The likes of Taylor, Griffin and Houghton should have been moved on as not doing so will likely cost the club and Pearson an awful lot more than not doing so.

I'm not too invested either way, personally.

If he goes then fair enough, thanks for your efforts Brett.

If he stays then I'm curious to see what he could do with a squad that was motivated and largely uninjured.

Feels a long time ago but we did look a reasonable side earlier in the season.

For all the talk of us not having a style, it must be difficult to develop one when the personnel is different every week in key positions, which I know is partly down to some iffy recruitment in the halves.

Recruitment does look better next year in fairness although 2nd row is a glaring weakness atm and I think we do need more pace down the wing.



I agree Taylor needs to go, waste of a prop atm. It sounds like Houghton will be on a reduced role next year at least. Griffin is an odd one, gone from form of his life to passenger. Hopefully a full off season might see some return to form if he is still here.



I just want to see better rugby however that comes about.

I’ll say it now :



Next season both Brett and Adam can’t be at the Club together

Apparently Smith wanted Dwyer at Rovers. According to my Rovers mate. Maybe he's had a hand in our recruitment for a while

Adam has to be or we won't have a club.

I'd have Smith as the DOR, a link between the coach and Pearson, take some decisions away from Clarke. We also have a coach to step in if we don't start well next year. Worked pretty well at Wigan this year.

Think that was the plan Dave, but with BH going sounds like Smith will be the head coach.



Or so the story goes