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| Quote Keiththered="Keiththered"Posters on here are nor necessarily representative of fans overall and you will only meet a very small percentage of supporters in normal life. You cannot generalise from a small sample. In addition printing in capitals does not add weight to your argument.
I’m pleased that you accept that we had a day in the sun even if you actually meant it in a derogatory way. It must be very disconcerting for you and your “big” club to be in a parlous state off the pitch and performing so badly on it. Unfortunately I know very well what both situations feel like.
It is three years since we had a home derby and I believe you have only won the last three matches not four. Still let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant.'"
Apologies for pinching a game, 3 Derby wins it is. Your as guilty of generalising FC fans, as you claim me to be. My comments are not derogatory. I genuinely want you to enjoy your day in the sun. I’ve never claimed FC are a big club, quite the opposite, many fans do but I’m a realist, as you will see if you read my posts without that chip on your shoulder, slanting my views. I believe we’re headed for a relegation scrap, as you say, it may well strengthen FC but I’ll not hold my breath. I still think it’s TEDIOUS to camp out on this forum bigging up your club and players and denigrating mine. Rugby League is generally in a parlous state, every club is in debt even yours and it’s getting close to having to repay those debts, REALISM!!!! |
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Both teams are still miles off Saints, neither will challenge long term until they start producing top players from the academy. Rovers have improved and we have stagnated, but in reality neither are close to challenging the top teams.
Not convinced by Rovers yet, Coote is good but injury prone, their best player is leaving and they don't have any academy players that can make their 21 man squad despite injuries.
They were fortunate to sign the Bradford head of youth who poached their best academy players. He got his head turned as soon as a big club came calling, which might happen wity some players if they don't make the step up to the next level.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."neither will challenge long term until they start producing top players from the academy.'"
I know of a man with a 5-year plan, if that would be helpful? I belief it should work for any club, irrespective of their circumstance and budget, because sustained SL success is built on culture and bringing through youth rather than on money. You just have to do things ‘the right way’, apparently. |
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I'd take a 2 year plan, if Hodgson and Pearson planned it out and explained their reason, start phasing in young players in key positions and build for a couple of years.
Not sure other fans would have the patience and we need to keep fans coming to survive.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."I'd take a 2 year plan, if Hodgson and Pearson planned it out and explained their reason, start phasing in young players in key positions and build for a couple of years.
Not sure other fans would have the patience and we need to keep fans coming to survive.'"
The majority of FC fans are patiently waiting for a run of wins. |
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Quote Dave K.="Dave K."I'd take a 2 year plan, if Hodgson and Pearson planned it out and explained their reason, start phasing in young players in key positions and build for a couple of years.
Not sure other fans would have the patience and we need to keep fans coming to survive.'"
A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process.
https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/
What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work.
Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly.
The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24. |
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Not sure other fans would have the patience and we need to keep fans coming to survive.'"
A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process.
https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/
What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work.
Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly.
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Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"A 2-year plan is much better than a 5-year plan, and explaining it to get buy in is very important. All we knew about our 5-year plan was its duration, that there were 10 key (and secret) objectives and that JP saw it was being a slow process.
https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/
What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work.
Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly.
The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24.'"
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https://hullkr.co.uk/insight-into-the-r ... e-peacock/
What if you don’t have many young players who are good enough at 18-20 years old now? One thing I think Peacock maybe had right was a 5-year lag for improvements to a youth system to start to bear fruit at first team level. I appreciate that you’re talking about phasing it in and I don’t doubt you have some good academy players. If you have enough and one or two who are very good, it could work.
Patience was a bit of buzzword among some Rovers fans ~10 years ago, in the Sandercock era, but it ran out fast at the end of his first season. I think you need to see some green shoots fairly swiftly.
The difference for Saints is that if a couple of youngsters in their 17 aren’t quite good enough or are still inconsistent, they just win by 12 instead of 24.'"
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"What about Paul Lakin's new 7 year plan? And his famous #thinktank ?'"
For redeveloping the ground etc? Don’t know much about it, but no red flags so far. Hopefully they’ll find the appropriate balance in employing highly experienced and competent architects and contractors, with enthusiastic young local workers getting an opportunity to develop. The Totally Wicked Stadium was built by Barr Construction Limited, who are based in the West of Scotland, and not a group of St Helens teens who demonstrated promise with Meccano.
I’ve gone too far the other way now, haven’t I? Developing young players is very valuable, but isn’t some sort of panacea. It is not the key difference between the successful teams that win the GF every year and the rest, or at least not the most important one.
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Derby stats - our top metre maker was Josh Griffin - 137m, 26 tackles, 3 tackle busts. Only Coote and Hall made more metres in the match.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Derby stats - our top metre maker was Josh Griffin - 137m, 26 tackles, 3 tackle busts. Only Coote and Hall made more metres in the match.'" There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end. |
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| Quote giddyupoldfella="giddyupoldfella"There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.'"
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| Quote giddyupoldfella="giddyupoldfella"There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.'"
Well he made 2 errors. Just saying he's a scapegoat of choice but contributed a lot of metres |
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He's not a scapegoat, he's a player not in form. Who's currently putting his team under alot of pressure with sloppy errors.
Quite rightly not in the squad after the rovers game.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Both teams are still miles off Saints, neither will challenge long term until they start producing top players from the academy.'"
I heard St Helens send their academy to a NRL pre season training camp, this is probably one main ingredient, that their youngsters are physically & mentally ready to play 1st grade.
Regarding us, we look unfit, I'd seriously look at replacing/ adjusting our fitness methods, finances permitting.
Quote Dave K.="giddyupoldfella"There's no point carrying the ball all that distance if you're gonna drop it at the end.'"
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| Quote weaver93="weaver93"I heard St Helens send their academy to a NRL pre season training camp, this is probably one main ingredient, that their youngsters are physically & mentally ready to play 1st grade.
Regarding us, we look unfit, I'd seriously look at replacing/ adjusting our fitness methods, finances permitting.
same thing in the previous game....
another loose carry , and a scruffy play the ball ,which resulted in a try for Hudds.'"
While we beat Salford at home, he was also sloppy in that game with errors, he's been consistently sloppy so far, really needs to harpen up his concentration, I like him as a player, he's just out of form and we can't keep trying to play players into form, use the squad and it might breed some consistency.
I'd bring Wynne back in personally, very unlucky to lose his place when in good form. Same with Mitch, Hodgson has the conundrum now do you pick players for their name and rep as in Carlos and Griffin, or players in form in Mitch and Wynne...... |
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But to drop him (if true) and keep Reynolds in the squad, at least Griffin offers some threat going forward and makes metres and although his defence was poor on Wood, he has been pretty strong so far in defence this season, certainly better than Reynolds IMO.
Certainly too many errors, but still currently warrants a place in the squad and probably on the bench.
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what about that totally shoite kick from Reynolds that went dead when it was so easy to keep it in goal ??
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Agree id of left Reynolds out too and played Lovodua back at 6.
Brown, Fash and Sao can all cover loose forward.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Derby stats - our top metre maker was Josh Griffin - 137m, 26 tackles, 3 tackle busts. Only Coote and Hall made more metres in the match.'"
Please can you send a link, regarding stats.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Derby stats - our top metre maker was Josh Griffin - 137m, 26 tackles, 3 tackle busts. Only Coote and Hall made more metres in the match.'"
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| I see Tony Smith is leaving at the end of the season, I guess all his goals have now been achieved. |
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Something must have seriously gone amiss in the last couple of days for him to come out with todays announcement. It'd been hinted he hasn't been happy behind the scenes so something must've seriously pushed him over the edge.
Huge loss for Rovers, a great coach who has done a brilliant job with not the most talented of groups.
Could go one of either way now for the remainder of the season, they'll either rally to make sure he finishes on a high or collapse in a whimper.
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Heard from a reliable source that Sandercock is returning to finish off what he started. Watch this space.
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Didn't get on with Larkin.
That's their best player and best coach in years gin for next season.
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Would seem to infer reading the reports that Smith couldn't get on with Lakin and vice versa. Smith will be a big loss to Rovers as he's done a very good job for them.
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