Indeed we could almost make a bang average team out of that lot!!

On way back. Here's my view on things. Pele deserved sending off. Sao no way. On the whole our pack did ok. Plus when Ashworth came on he was a handful. For me our main problem was the backs. Smith tried but didn't really do anything of note. Brown was invisible. The 3/4 apart from Martin imo where awful. You maybe didn't notice it on TV but there where all over the place. I hope Tuime and Sutcliffe are back soon. Brown needs to play hooker.Hoy looked lively when he came on so get him at 6. In reality where miles of. One last word I slag lane of regularly but he ran and tackled his socks of tonight.

There is certainly some frightening pace in that last eight

Fingers crossed...

Fair assessment.

Points are my biggest worry, I've watched 160 mins of Hull so far this year and nor for a single minute of it have I thought we look threatening with ball in hand.

Danny Houghton is the only positive with regards to effort,Uncle Tony is spot on when he said FC were 2nd best team in Hull and you have to give him credit for his honesty the game is up Mr Pearson looked toats ed!

Thought Brown was particularly disappointing tonight, Hoy and Smith seemed to work better as a pairing Houghton failed his head test so Balmforth has to come in next week. Without Cator or Fash I’d probably move Brown to 13. Will we see Gardiner and Staveley in the 17 with the likely suspensions to Pele & Sao.



Thought Ashworth, Martin & Sao showed up well other than that thought it was pretty poor. If Herman & Franklin can’t keep the discipline then we’re in even bigger trouble.

Well I was positive before the season started but have to say the doom and gloom posters on here were right.

Thought our pack would match them but they bossed us.

Hard to single out the backs as we had little go forward.

Houghton easily man of the match for us which all things considered is depressing.

Passive defence and lack of coordination is still there despite the change in personnel.

Thought kr were nothing special either.

Against 12 & 11 with lion share of possession they should have put 40 on us.

We're in for a long old season, looked absolutely clueless in attack and effort only gets you so far. And Trueman aside (who is injured often) where is the creative spark coming from?

Don't think anyone can take any positives from that. It was rank from start to finish.



Roll on 2025

As the saying goes, nothing is ever won in round one, but bloody hell, we are in some deep trouble if that is going to set the tone for our season.



Our discipline has been a shambles for years now, and here we are, with a whole turnover of players, and we still have the same results?



The Pele red is unforgivable. A great initial hit spoilt by a terrible swing, he’ll be looking at a hefty ban thanks to Fozzard and co.



Two games on the bounce we have been nilled, it has to be ringing alarm bells even at this early stage, with Truman not back till May something really needs to happen.



Defence, okay in parts, but still so sloppy in others, there’s talk about Smiths tackling techniques he’s tried to implement, is it just too much?



The worst thing is that Rovers weren’t that much better either, barely got out of 2nd gear and could’ve ended up with 30+



Deflated is the word I feel, which isn’t how I should feel at the start of having the game/club i love back. We’re going to be doing it tough on numbers at what will be an excited Warrington, not holding my breath for a result.

Absolutely awful, not a single positive and injuries and suspensions coming. We will be lucky to get 11th

I thought Ligi was good. He gives me the slightest hope that our back row isn't as weak as I originally thought.



Whilst most will only look at Pele's second effort in his send-off tackle, his first effort was a beauty. Absolutely smashed Minchella to the ground



Listen, we're a bottom half of the table team right now. That's were we are. Tonight was one game and I understand that losing a Derby is emotional, but this season is about trying to make strides to make improvements from where we were last season.



We had a lot of adversity go against us tonight and Rovers did a professional job on us.



We're not gonna chllenge for silverware this season, we can just hope to try and improve on a week to week basis and hopefully unearth some new talents to come through from the club system.

I don’t see where the points are going to come from on the pitch was zero threat

Oh for Kelly & Sneyd at 6 & 7.

Never been properly replaced.

I'm feeling nostalgic for the Gale/Reynolds partnership after what I witnessed tonight.

I wish I got a week or weeks ban from work when I make a mistake. I'd be making those mistakes all the time and be putting my feet up.



There's definitely an attraction for being banned.

right about sneyd and kelly,we are back in the bad old days before them,when we had whitihg,washbrook,tommy lee,thorman,berrigan taking turns at being a half.decent players in the right position,but woeful at halfback.we knew last july we were losing clifford and according to dan tomlinson,hull were glad they knew early and had the situation well in hand..poor recruitment.

Were any good no7s available for non marquee money though? We have to be realistic joining a skint 10th place isnt the deal of the century for a decent young player and its only going to get harder the longer we struggle

I'd go further. Smith admitted that the club knew Clifford was putting himself in the shop window and if he performed a return to the NRL was a strong possibility. No contingency plan it seems.



Brown is a good player, he must be to get in the NZ team but he's a hooker not a half back.

We signed a quality half back last season. We just couldn't keep hold of him.

Oh dear, so much for trying to stay positive!!

Struggling to see any positives to take going forward into next week, next month, the rest of the year.



It's already looking like it could be a long, long year for the faithful

The dogfight with London for the wooden spoon could at least keep things slightly interesting.

I suddenly like IMG's franchise idea more than ever

The London game in a couple of weeks is going to be a 4 pointer.