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| Quote ="UllFC"Who are these people? I haven't seen anything from him in terms of leadership, determination or passion. Things that every good captain needs. He looks like he just turns up on the day and goes through the motions to me.'"
I'm surprised you feel this way tbh, I'm always seeing him bark out orders and talking just as much as Lynch. And if others showed as much determination and passion as him (Manu, Turner etc.) we wouldn't be capitulating at the thought of a few injuries like we are.
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| Can't believe how some of us Hull fans are so fickle,yes we are looking for a scapegoat and Westerman seem's to be the prime choice but remember the lad is still only 22 and is best year's are still ahead of him,hopefully imo in a Hull fc shirt.
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| 150k well spent
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| He's been steady IMO but for the money we spent people (inc myself) have maybe expected more.
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| I think that Westerman is a talented player but has had a poor-to-average season so far. Personally, I'd play him out wide as I think that we've seen his best performances when he's been playing on the edges, and this would allow Whiting to play at 13 (and Whiting in the smarter player).
I don't know why people say that Westerman doesn't show any Leadership qualities, I've regularly seen him barking out orders or having a word with the guys when we're in a group under the sticks after conceding.
For the rest of this season I think that we should move Westerman out wide to Tickle's spot and then have Whiting at 13. For next season, I'd have Ellis on the left, Whiting on the middle, and then either Tickle (if he stays) or Westerman playing on the right depending on how they're performing.
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| Typical story of a transfer fee weighing heavy around his neck, if we'd signed him when OOC I seriously doubt people would be picking him out. Was excellent at times last season. Certainly in a different class to Pitts IMO, who is seeing nothing like the same level of criticism.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Typical story of a transfer fee weighing heavy around his neck, if we'd signed him when OOC I seriously doubt people would be picking him out. Was excellent at times last season. Certainly in a different class to Pitts IMO, who is seeing nothing like the same level of criticism.'"
Pitts won't be on anything like the money Westerman is on, hence expectations of Westerman are much higher.
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| He has played well in the past for us without doubt. It seems to me that to become a really good player he has to improve his consistency. I don't think he reaches the level he is capable of consistently enough. The likes of Sinfield/Westwood/O'Loughlin reach a high standard week in and week out. If Westerman wants to be a top player he has to get to a consistently high level of performance. He's nowhere near that yet.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Pitts won't be on anything like the money Westerman is on, hence expectations of Westerman are much higher.'"
Which is stupid. The fact he is on more money does not mean he can carry the team. We have a combination of missing and average players holding the team back, which also makes it harder for good players to produce the goods. His form last year leads me to be inclined to give him more time. I think he and Seymour are similar stories, with better players around them we may see more from them, as at the minute they are suffering from trying too hard.
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| He's been poor and needs to improve to have a future at the club. Gives away too many penalties and has been average at best IMO
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| at the end of the day i know we cant blame injuries for poor runs of form but i dont think any teams star players can peform to the best of their ability when we have so many 1st team players out.
we keep looking to the few 'big name players' that are currently fit, i.e westerman, briscoe. with a fully fit squad the responsibilty can be shared around more.
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| Regarding penalties, it's again another thing he's being criticised for that is true of most of the team, so I'm not sure why he's being picked out for it over others. He's actually averaging less penalties per game than Tickle, Moa, Houghton, Horne, Martin, Nicklas, and Heremaia, and is only ahead of Pitts and Crooks by a very narrow margin. It's a team-wide issue, not just him.
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| Fan's want to see his ball playing ability, you won't see that with him playing 13 in our system.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Regarding penalties, it's again another thing he's being criticised for that is true of most of the team, so I'm not sure why he's being picked out for it over others. He's actually averaging less penalties per game than Tickle, Moa, Houghton, Horne, Martin, Nicklas, and Heremaia, and is only ahead of Pitts and Crooks by a very narrow margin. It's a team-wide issue, not just him.'"
Like you say, his big money wage and few means high expectations. He definatley gets criticised more then most when, in reality, he's done no worse than anyone else.
As for looking not bothered, I personally think that's a load of . He shows lots of passion to me and is very vocal. I would love most of our players to show his enthusiasm.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Like you say, his big money wage and few means high expectations. He definatley gets criticised more then most when, in reality, he's done no worse than anyone else.
As for looking not bothered, I personally think that's a load of poop. He shows lots of passion to me and is very vocal. I would love most of our players to show his enthusiasm.'"
Totally agree. You can count on one hand how many of our players have played well most games. He's not one of them, but he's certainly not been amongst the worst either.
I also agree that he's putting the effort in. As I said earlier about him and Seymour, if anything they're making errors at times from trying too hard. Some of the penalties actually come down to that.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Huge scapegoat. He's the very least of our worries and I do think he had a better game yesterday. To think of getting rid of him is ridiculous, he captained the knights last season and people have called for him to be our future captain!'"
i don't think he's a scapegoat. for 100k i'ld expect him to be dominating matches up front, like ellis will do next season. he should be winning man of the match awards, not drifting through games all too anonimously
this is the price of being an expensive signing, expectations are high. there's still time for him to justify his fee and rep, but he's going to have to produce very soon
5 or 6 games into this season there were quite a few on here bagging briscoe. he's stepped up to the plate big time, westy needs to do the same
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| Quote ="the artist"i don't think he's a scapegoat. for 100k i'ld expect him to be dominating matches up front, like ellis will do next season. he should be winning man of the match awards, not drifting through games all too anonimously
this is the price of being an expensive signing, expectations are high. =#FF0000there's still time for him to justify his fee and rep, but he's going to have to produce very soon'"
I never understand this, it's not his fault.
We could go and pay a million for Ben Cockayne, wouldn't mean he's worth it.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I never understand this, it's not his fault.
We could go and pay a million for Ben Cockayne, wouldn't mean he's worth it.'"
never said it was his fault - merely saying that a player on a big transfer fee is subject to high expectations from the fans. its a fact of life
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| Quote ="the artist"never said it was his fault - merely saying that a player on a big transfer fee is subject to high expectations from the fans. its a fact of life'"
Why? We paid a bigger fee for Tansey than we did for Jason Smith.
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| I like Westy, his first 4 or 5 games last season he was a bit poor, and for me people have only remembered those games; even when he's played well. I thought he was one of our better players yesterday, and created 3 or 4 half breaks down our right side which Tickle would never have done.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Why? We paid a bigger fee for Tansey than we did for Jason Smith.'"
westy was percieved as being a big name player who was the dominant force in his previous team, so when he comes in on a big fee fans expect him to both dominate up front and play in a similar style to how he he did at cas. i'm not saying he's a waste of space but i am saying he's not yet met expectations. whether thats down to him being played in the wrong position, or down to coaching, or down to him i don't know. thats why in my first post i said we should see how he fits into the jigsaw for next year.
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| Westerman was barking out orders at all your players in the derby at Manchester with a minute to go. KR immediately scored.
Think he has it in his game to be a good 13. Defensively he's good. But is often just used as a battering ram type 2nd rower.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Westerman was barking out orders at all your players in the derby at Manchester with a minute to go. KR immediately scored.
Think he has it in his game to be a good 13. Defensively he's good. But is often just used as a battering ram type 2nd rower.'"
When he first came to us his defence was poor, and that was one of the main reasons why people didn't want him at 13, but IMO since it's a million times better now than at the end of last season, and he doesn't look out of place defending in the middle.
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| Just returned from injury probably not even match fit yet
Playing with players who look like they have moved clubs already!
Loads of injuries = major disruption for any team
I think he will come good next season in a team with a set of lads who want to wear our shirt and win
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| Quote ="Staffs FC" I don't think he reaches the level he is capable of consistently enough. The likes of Sinfield/Westwood/O'Loughlin reach a high standard week in and week out.'"
Are you seriously contesting that 9 or 10 years ago (when they were Westerman's age), they were playing in a similar fashion to what they are now?
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