I don’t know what he brings to the squad tbh. I'm sure he's got plenty of potential for Hetherington to have shelled out 100,000 sheets for him, but he's a bit of a luxury player we can ill afford IMO. Our lack of size doesn't help, but I think Lee Richardson called it when he said he's never seen him take control of game.

More interested in ale than being a top class player.

It's possible now you will see the best of him now Watts has signed and Chase to follow soon, a few friendly faces could do the world of good.

Should Chase sign for us one of the best aspects will be seeing Rovers and Cas fans on here desparately trying to hide their devastation.

Huge scapegoat. He's the very least of our worries and I do think he had a better game yesterday. To think of getting rid of him is ridiculous, he captained the knights last season and people have called for him to be our future captain!

Even though plenty of FC fans would rather have Holdsworth?

Was very good down the right last year and would be happy to see him & Whiting rotate there and 13.
Obviously 6 or 7 games back from injury coinciding with a chronic injury list to mainly forwards means nothing and he should be bossing games from within a beaten pack. Obviously the reason he isn't is because he'd rather go on the lash at Xscape.
He's been no worse than anyone else this year.
He's young, British, got potential and has been captain of the knights setup. Exactly what Gentle wants in his squad.

And anyone that listens to Lee Richardson is an idiot.

Don't forget he's club trained too and free's up space.

(as Brough would be also)

Who are these people? I haven't seen anything from him in terms of leadership, determination or passion. Things that every good captain needs. He looks like he just turns up on the day and goes through the motions to me.

Quote ="UllFC"Who are these people? I haven't seen anything from him in terms of leadership, determination or passion. Things that every good captain needs. He looks like he just turns up on the day and goes through the motions to me.'" Few on here, just at a quick search: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=513181&hilit=westerman&tsmp=1342380133&start=20 As for going through the motions, I disagree.

Quote ="UllFC"Who are these people? I haven't seen anything from him in terms of leadership, determination or passion. Things that every good captain needs. He looks like he just turns up on the day and goes through the motions to me.'" Few on here, just at a quick search: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=513181&hilit=westerman&tsmp=1342380133&start=20 As for going through the motions, I disagree.

I'm surprised you feel this way tbh, I'm always seeing him bark out orders and talking just as much as Lynch. And if others showed as much determination and passion as him (Manu, Turner etc.) we wouldn't be capitulating at the thought of a few injuries like we are.

Can't believe how some of us Hull fans are so fickle,yes we are looking for a scapegoat and Westerman seem's to be the prime choice but remember the lad is still only 22 and is best year's are still ahead of him,hopefully imo in a Hull fc shirt.

150k well spent

He's been steady IMO but for the money we spent people (inc myself) have maybe expected more.

I think that Westerman is a talented player but has had a poor-to-average season so far. Personally, I'd play him out wide as I think that we've seen his best performances when he's been playing on the edges, and this would allow Whiting to play at 13 (and Whiting in the smarter player).

I don't know why people say that Westerman doesn't show any Leadership qualities, I've regularly seen him barking out orders or having a word with the guys when we're in a group under the sticks after conceding.

For the rest of this season I think that we should move Westerman out wide to Tickle's spot and then have Whiting at 13. For next season, I'd have Ellis on the left, Whiting on the middle, and then either Tickle (if he stays) or Westerman playing on the right depending on how they're performing.

Typical story of a transfer fee weighing heavy around his neck, if we'd signed him when OOC I seriously doubt people would be picking him out. Was excellent at times last season. Certainly in a different class to Pitts IMO, who is seeing nothing like the same level of criticism.

Pitts won't be on anything like the money Westerman is on, hence expectations of Westerman are much higher.

He has played well in the past for us without doubt. It seems to me that to become a really good player he has to improve his consistency. I don't think he reaches the level he is capable of consistently enough. The likes of Sinfield/Westwood/O'Loughlin reach a high standard week in and week out. If Westerman wants to be a top player he has to get to a consistently high level of performance. He's nowhere near that yet.

Which is stupid. The fact he is on more money does not mean he can carry the team. We have a combination of missing and average players holding the team back, which also makes it harder for good players to produce the goods. His form last year leads me to be inclined to give him more time. I think he and Seymour are similar stories, with better players around them we may see more from them, as at the minute they are suffering from trying too hard.

He's been poor and needs to improve to have a future at the club. Gives away too many penalties and has been average at best IMO

at the end of the day i know we cant blame injuries for poor runs of form but i dont think any teams star players can peform to the best of their ability when we have so many 1st team players out.

we keep looking to the few 'big name players' that are currently fit, i.e westerman, briscoe. with a fully fit squad the responsibilty can be shared around more.

Regarding penalties, it's again another thing he's being criticised for that is true of most of the team, so I'm not sure why he's being picked out for it over others. He's actually averaging less penalties per game than Tickle, Moa, Houghton, Horne, Martin, Nicklas, and Heremaia, and is only ahead of Pitts and Crooks by a very narrow margin. It's a team-wide issue, not just him.

Fan's want to see his ball playing ability, you won't see that with him playing 13 in our system.

Like you say, his big money wage and few means high expectations. He definatley gets criticised more then most when, in reality, he's done no worse than anyone else.

As for looking not bothered, I personally think that's a load of . He shows lots of passion to me and is very vocal. I would love most of our players to show his enthusiasm.

Totally agree. You can count on one hand how many of our players have played well most games. He's not one of them, but he's certainly not been amongst the worst either.

I also agree that he's putting the effort in. As I said earlier about him and Seymour, if anything they're making errors at times from trying too hard. Some of the penalties actually come down to that.