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Quote ="Mrs Barista"Losses in the transition years from Knowley Road to Langtree Park were projected in advance. Have a look at this - turnover exceeds the £6.5m threshold:y
m.saintsrlfc.com/content/club-statement-4
Saints have survived for years on benefactors' love of the club and have now transitioned to a new commercial model leveraging stadium ownership.'"
So like Wigan, they seem to be slightly over the threshold, we may not be that far behind.
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be shooting for circa £6m turnover, even more with a bit more success. Just break it down a little:
- An average gate of even 10k on a minimum of 14 home league games at maybe an average of £15 a ticket would be £2.1m
- Shirt sales of about 7k at an average of £40 would be £280k
- The new Sky deal provides £1.8m a season
There's £4.2m already. That would leave less than £3m (stripping out VAT) to be found from sponsorship deals, other merchandise, cup and ideally some playoff games. I'm not seeing reasons why it can't be done other than the product on the pitch. If we could stick another thousand on the gates and shirt sales that'd be another £200k net.
Accepting the status quo as almost too difficult to overturn is unnecessarily defeatist IMO. It's not an impossible challenge, we're just getting it wrong. |
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Quote ="Mrs Barista"Losses in the transition years from Knowley Road to Langtree Park were projected in advance. Have a look at this - turnover exceeds the £6.5m threshold:y
m.saintsrlfc.com/content/club-statement-4
Saints have survived for years on benefactors' love of the club and have now transitioned to a new commercial model leveraging stadium ownership.'"
So like Wigan, they seem to be slightly over the threshold, we may not be that far behind.
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be shooting for circa £6m turnover, even more with a bit more success. Just break it down a little:
- An average gate of even 10k on a minimum of 14 home league games at maybe an average of £15 a ticket would be £2.1m
- Shirt sales of about 7k at an average of £40 would be £280k
- The new Sky deal provides £1.8m a season
There's £4.2m already. That would leave less than £3m (stripping out VAT) to be found from sponsorship deals, other merchandise, cup and ideally some playoff games. I'm not seeing reasons why it can't be done other than the product on the pitch. If we could stick another thousand on the gates and shirt sales that'd be another £200k net.
Accepting the status quo as almost too difficult to overturn is unnecessarily defeatist IMO. It's not an impossible challenge, we're just getting it wrong. | |
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"The £11m turnover for Leeds, is this solely the Rhinos or does thus include the Union team? What I do know is, their corporate hospitality is huge in comparison to any other RL club in the UK. Not sure if the Rhinos own their stadium, but I think it maybe part of Caddicks business empire. St's do have their own stadium which I'd imagine they have a decent mortgage to finance it.
Anyway. Realistically what would make the opinion of the stay away fans change? Is it a matter of changing the coach or is it going to take a sustained period of winning to get bums on seats?'"
Winning will obviously increase gates but the coup for Pearson would be to appoint a first class coach.That would have a bigger impact on fans buying a season pass than signing The likes of Pritchard.It would also show fans he has admitted his mistake appointing Radford.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"The £11m turnover for Leeds, is this solely the Rhinos or does thus include the Union team? What I do know is, their corporate hospitality is huge in comparison to any other RL club in the UK. Not sure if the Rhinos own their stadium, but I think it maybe part of Caddicks business empire. St's do have their own stadium which I'd imagine they have a decent mortgage to finance it.
Anyway. Realistically what would make the opinion of the stay away fans change? Is it a matter of changing the coach or is it going to take a sustained period of winning to get bums on seats?'"
No. Saints have no bank debt, and was majorly financed (currently £15m) by a friend of Eamon McManus who also happens to be a Saints fan. The club can pay this back at any rate, and any debt remaining at the end of the 2018 will be liquidated into shares (or postponed) and the club will again be completely debt free. It will all come down to whether McManus wants to retire, and if he does the baton will be passed into a fan whose already proven his commitment financially (or at least that's my current understanding) |
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"No. Saints have no bank debt, and was majorly financed (currently £15m) by a friend of Eamon McManus who also happens to be a Saints fan. The club can pay this back at any rate, and any debt remaining at the end of the 2018 will be liquidated into shares (or postponed) and the club will again be completely debt free. It will all come down to whether McManus wants to retire, and if he does the baton will be passed into a fan whose already proven his commitment financially (or at least that's my current understanding)'"
Interesting. If that's the case, how come saints were so skint during the build process? |
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Interesting. If that's the case, how come saints were so skint during the build process?'"
Mcmanus still poured a lot of his own funds into the project, as well as modernising the training and youth facilities as an aside, and paying off directors loans we had outstanding from the early days of SL at the same time - i think McManus + sale of kr made up the remaining £10m for the stadium. I also think an element of idealism (a saints team in a saints stadium) meant we could have invested more in the playing side but chose not to - but that's more personal conjecture than what the accounts say.
I'll have a closer look on the saints accounts when they're published like I always do, but I'm 95% that's what was gleaned from last years accounts, and presume the accounts this year say the same... |
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Mcmanus still poured a lot of his own funds into the project, as well as modernising the training and youth facilities as an aside, and paying off directors loans we had outstanding from the early days of SL at the same time - i think McManus + sale of kr made up the remaining £10m for the stadium. I also think an element of idealism (a saints team in a saints stadium) meant we could have invested more in the playing side but chose not to - but that's more personal conjecture than what the accounts say.
I'll have a closer look on the saints accounts when they're published like I always do, but I'm 95% that's what was gleaned from last years accounts, and presume the accounts this year say the same...'"
Whatever, you're in a much better financial position than us |
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