I don't think we are in a "fatal demise", that's extreme. Just trying to be positive to lift the mood on here a bit. The season isn't finished so don't give up just yet. If we did make top 8 then are we not progressing?

Quote ="fcandy"We all know the multitude of problems Hull FC has had since 2007, Wilf superbly summarised them in the latest diary. It appears the club as well as fans moral has hit its lowest point in a very long time. At times like this we must seek out positives in order to give us some hope that things can get better for the club we all love. Here is my attempt at a list of positives about the club that I hope people can add too in a constructive way to show that we have it better as fans than many other clubs in RL, even within SL itself. • The club has a loyal and large fan base. • We are financially stable. • We have an owner that is open, honest and willing to invest. • We are only a derby win a way from being in the top 8. • Only once this season have we not been in with a shot of winning the game. Are we really as far away to the other clubs as it appears at the moment? • Our U19's squad is as good as any other in SL clubs. • We play in one of the best stadiums in the league. • We have a club that is engaged with the community in many ways. • We have a successful retail ">department.'" While I appreciate you are trying to lighten the mood and give a bit of optimism: Our loyal and large fan base is arguably out biggest asset, but even that has dwindled by approx 2.5k on average since 2010 We are not financially stable and have made heavy losses in recent years. The new SKY deal and 3 extra home games (providing we make the icon_cool.gif" alt="icon_cool.gif" title="Cool" /> may turn that around, but its not guaranteed. Our owner talks a good game but has so far failed to deliver, I'm still waiting for the team of internationals and top4 rugby he promised to arrive Yes, we are technically only one win from a playoff position, and overall the quality of the league seems down in recent years, but experience tells us that a team that has only posted back to back wins once in the Radford era won't make it. Our U19s squad is currently getting good results, but until we see this consistenly for a few years we can't tell if this is just a blip. And even the best youth teams only produce a few players who make it to be SL players, we can't expect the youth team to solve all our problems. We may play in the best ground in the league, but it is increasingly empty, and a dark Allam cloud hangs over it and it is likely we'll be only using 2 or 3 stands next season. I do however agree that our community work and retail side of the business is better than most, unfortunately you don't get points on the league table for that though

Quote ="fcandy"We all know the multitude of problems Hull FC has had since 2007, Wilf superbly summarised them in the latest diary. It appears the club as well as fans moral has hit its lowest point in a very long time. At times like this we must seek out positives in order to give us some hope that things can get better for the club we all love. Here is my attempt at a list of positives about the club that I hope people can add too in a constructive way to show that we have it better as fans than many other clubs in RL, even within SL itself. • The club has a loyal and large fan base. • We are financially stable. • We have an owner that is open, honest and willing to invest. • We are only a derby win a way from being in the top 8. • Only once this season have we not been in with a shot of winning the game. Are we really as far away to the other clubs as it appears at the moment? • Our U19's squad is as good as any other in SL clubs. • We play in one of the best stadiums in the league. • We have a club that is engaged with the community in many ways. • We have a successful retail ">department.'" While I appreciate you are trying to lighten the mood and give a bit of optimism: Our loyal and large fan base is arguably out biggest asset, but even that has dwindled by approx 2.5k on average since 2010 We are not financially stable and have made heavy losses in recent years. The new SKY deal and 3 extra home games (providing we make the icon_cool.gif" alt="icon_cool.gif" title="Cool" /> may turn that around, but its not guaranteed. Our owner talks a good game but has so far failed to deliver, I'm still waiting for the team of internationals and top4 rugby he promised to arrive Yes, we are technically only one win from a playoff position, and overall the quality of the league seems down in recent years, but experience tells us that a team that has only posted back to back wins once in the Radford era won't make it. Our U19s squad is currently getting good results, but until we see this consistenly for a few years we can't tell if this is just a blip. And even the best youth teams only produce a few players who make it to be SL players, we can't expect the youth team to solve all our problems. We may play in the best ground in the league, but it is increasingly empty, and a dark Allam cloud hangs over it and it is likely we'll be only using 2 or 3 stands next season. I do however agree that our community work and retail side of the business is better than most, unfortunately you don't get points on the league table for that though

Quote ="R_Tomlinson"being loyal clubmen is one thing, I could be a great butcher, it doesn't make me a surgeon. FC need a huge injection of professionalism, not happening any time ">soon.'" I agree 100% That is my sentiment completely.. its not the professionalism thats worrying, this is what worries me most.. Yeaman (no not a knock yeaman area but a fact) is almost non effective in the games i have seen this season and most of last, he is done in my opinion, he still throws in the odd massive shunt that makes everyone jump to their feet however the truth is that is rare! He has been a great servant that is also clear but its time to give him a rest and bring someone else in because clearly it just isnt there any more, hes a centre FFS and we have 5 forwards who are faster than he is , 99% of the squad better passers and no one but the customers can see this and that baffles me , worries me and is a typical issue right now at FC

Quote ="R_Tomlinson"being loyal clubmen is one thing, I could be a great butcher, it doesn't make me a surgeon. FC need a huge injection of professionalism, not happening any time ">soon.'" I agree 100% That is my sentiment completely.. its not the professionalism thats worrying, this is what worries me most.. Yeaman (no not a knock yeaman area but a fact) is almost non effective in the games i have seen this season and most of last, he is done in my opinion, he still throws in the odd massive shunt that makes everyone jump to their feet however the truth is that is rare! He has been a great servant that is also clear but its time to give him a rest and bring someone else in because clearly it just isnt there any more, hes a centre FFS and we have 5 forwards who are faster than he is , 99% of the squad better passers and no one but the customers can see this and that baffles me , worries me and is a typical issue right now at FC

cant we have a negative thread so you can all post there a046.gif" alt="a046.gif" title="IDEA" />

cant we have a negative thread so you can all post there a046.gif" alt="a046.gif" title="IDEA" />

We wont change whilst Lee and his mates are around. Radford,Tony,Horne,Last,Whiting... all useless

Quote ="hull2524"cant we have a negative thread so you can all post there a046.gif" alt="a046.gif" title="IDEA" />'" Its difficult to be positive isnt it , sorry i know its depressing isnt it

Quote ="hull2524"cant we have a negative thread so you can all post there a046.gif" alt="a046.gif" title="IDEA" />'" Its difficult to be positive isnt it , sorry i know its depressing isnt it