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| Quote Sacred Cow="Sacred Cow"There were plans for a redevolped Belle Vue drawn up about 18 months ago that sounded suspiciously like what we got released all of a sudden a month or so back, those had the hospitality moving to the east stand, a new stand to replace the flats and a revamp of the terracting in the north & west stands with new roofing, toilets, bars etc added. I’d guess these were dragged out of a drawer somewhere, a few minor edits added and then some idealisation regarding retail and residential put in to make it look the works. I doubt the details were gone through with a fine tooth comb though which is what is happening now at a guess.quote
That’s what I seem to remember and how I see it
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| Quote Mable_Syrup="Mable_Syrup"
I think the plans were drawn up (i guess by either YC, the council or club/trust) whilst it was still under the ownership of the Bank of Ireland, they definately existed around easter last year. The sale to 88M happened about six months after that. You are correct though, they did at the time mention redeveloping the place so it is likely those plans were used to some extent along with a splash of there own take on it given the timeframe.
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| People are saying that Box has sold this pup to keep everyone quiet for a while, but why would he do that? Until that point, the stance of WMDC appeared to be that it was nothing to do with them, Yorkcourt too. They could have just carried on with that line and let MC sell up or go elsewhere. There'd been some fall-out, but there will be this time too, because they'd made public the financing plans.
Every decision involves weighing up all the options. Are people really saying that Box and WMDC made a conscious decision to embark on another doomed project, with all that follows from the doom, without any intention to carry it through? I can't see why anyone would do that, with all the work it involves.
I just don't see an advantage in going public with plans when refusal to get involved had worked just fine. If he had no intentions to see it through, he could have just maintained the stance adopted until that point.
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| The designs shown were obviously reworked ones from a couple of years ago, it's unlikely that an architectural design company would have used the old logo when we have a new one, but it is likely that they forgot to change the logo on some of the designs to the new logo which is why some of the designs still had the Wildcats logo on them
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"People are saying that Box has sold this pup to keep everyone quiet for a while, but why would he do that? Until that point, the stance of WMDC appeared to be that it was nothing to do with them, Yorkcourt too. They could have just carried on with that line and let MC sell up or go elsewhere. There'd been some fall-out, but there will be this time too, because they'd made public the financing plans.
Every decision involves weighing up all the options. Are people really saying that Box and WMDC made a conscious decision to embark on another doomed project, with all that follows from the doom, without any intention to carry it through? I can't see why anyone would do that, with all the work it involves.
I just don't see an advantage in going public with plans when refusal to get involved had worked just fine. If he had no intentions to see it through, he could have just maintained the stance adopted until that point.'"
That's how I see it, Slugger
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Have you a quote from 88m?
I have a feeling, may be wrong, that that was a story started on here that somehow became fact.
Simple point - if BV is the best option why didn't the Council/Yorkcourt/the Club (who were advised by the Council not to) buy the ground and the Superbowl for less than a million pounds in total a year ago?
Mr 88m stands to make ten times that by simply re-offering the same deal that was available a year ago!
I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but this one has gone way beyond theory - it just plain odd - none of it makes any sense at all.
Even if it happens it still makes no economic sense because somebody most notably YC and 88m are almost certainly going to make a killing at the ratepayers expense. Fact, this could have happened a year ago for far less money and without the need to bring in yet another developer. Also why do people think 88m are in any way more trustworthy than Yorkcourt?
As I say I hope it happens and I'm made to look a wally on this one - I'd happily live with it.'"
Nice one get the ratepayers against it aswell. 
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Have you a quote from 88m?
I have a feeling, may be wrong, that that was a story started on here that somehow became '"
I thought the suggestion came from MC, I'm pretty sure it was said that there would be plans produced and maybe a 3D model within 3 months, but then again that was a year or so since.I'm not convinced the new ground will materialise, When these new plans came it came from no where, it all seemed too convenient, how/why would plans be put together without the input form MC and CB, who on the council has the nouse to put all the facilities needed in a modern stadium? Who knows the clubs requirements? The parking issue shouldn't be a problem, Heath common is nearby, a load of Tarmac from the travellers on the common should sort that out.
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| Quote AKA kellyseye="AKA kellyseye"Nice one get the ratepayers against it aswell.
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Yes because ratepayers base their opinion on the content of this forum!
However big fan of the club I may be and redeveloping BV has been a long held dream of mine. But why should the ratepayer most of whom have no interest in our club get taken for a ride. That makes us no better than the rest of them.
I reckon the monies so far wasted by WMDC on these failed stadium developments could have secured the ground and probably redeveloped the main stand by now if used wisely.
It's an utter disgrace whether we end up with a ground or not.
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| I've got to admit, you've lost me.
How exactly will the ratepayers be affected by this development? Are Council Tax bills going up to directly support it? Have the council identified some service that needs cutting in order to service the govt. loan?
Honest questions - what have I missed?
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| Im lost also. Seems to me its being totally over baked.
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| That makes 3 of us that’s lost the plot on this one. I didn’t know ratepayers would be affected. Scrap the whole project please.
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| Quote MashPotatoes="MashPotatoes"That makes 3 of us that’s lost the plot on this one. I didn’t know ratepayers would be affected. Scrap the whole project please.'"
The project would create business rates from the additional buildings on the site.
The project would create jobs in the construction industry in the short term, and in other locations on site in the long-term,
The project would service the debt created by WMDC.
The project would improve the environment, commercially and visibly, of a grotty part of the city.
The project would create the continued impression that the city is vibrant and forward-thinking.
The project would allow the name of the city to be broadcast to the world, with a successful sports team representing its image.
Not allowing the project would show that the council is inept, morally and in terms of how it enforces its planning laws, and that the city is a dying force, even allowing its only sports team to leave.
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"The project would create business rates from the additional buildings on the site.
The project would create jobs in the construction industry in the short term, and in other locations on site in the long-term,
The project would service the debt created by WMDC.
The project would improve the environment, commercially and visibly, of a grotty part of the city.
The project would create the continued impression that the city is vibrant and forward-thinking.
The project would allow the name of the city to be broadcast to the world, with a successful sports team representing its image.
Not allowing the project would show that the council is inept, morally and in terms of how it enforces its planning laws, and that the city is a dying force, even allowing its only sports team to leave.'"
Very good post! Lets see what Larry curly and mo have to say about that.
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"The project would create business rates from the additional buildings on the site.
The project would create jobs in the construction industry in the short term, and in other locations on site in the long-term,
The project would service the debt created by WMDC.
The project would improve the environment, commercially and visibly, of a grotty part of the city.
The project would create the continued impression that the city is vibrant and forward-thinking.
The project would allow the name of the city to be broadcast to the world, with a successful sports team representing its image.
Not allowing the project would show that the council is inept, morally and in terms of how it enforces its planning laws, and that the city is a dying force, even allowing its only sports team to leave.'"
Exactly ! Scrap it now. Saves being disappointed later.;@)
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| Quote Her in doors="Her in doors"Very good post! Lets see what Larry curly and mo have to say about that.'"

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| Ok. Has anyone heard of an interest in selling shares? Trying to be careful.
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| That's a cryptic post, what exactly are you asking/stating?
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| simply that a shareholder may be looking to sell as obviously happens from time to time.
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| Quote Manuel="Manuel"simply that a shareholder may be looking to sell as obviously happens from time to time.'"
Shares in what?
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| Sorry Jinjer. You will note that there have been no takers on this thread from the trust.
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| Quote Manuel="Manuel"Sorry Jinjer. You will note that there have been no takers on this thread from the trust.'"
Were you on a fishing trip there Manuel, because I haven't got the foggiest idea what you're alluding to. 
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| Quote Manuel="Manuel"Sorry Jinjer. You will note that there have been no takers on this thread from the trust.'"
Not sure what you are expecting from the Trust and perhaps you could enlighten us all.
All I can say is that the Club & Trust have as requested by the Council prepared comprehensive Heads of Terms that reflect a similar deal to that of Castleford Tigers at Glasshoughton. You will recall that Peter Box stated in the Council Chamber that the Castleford deal had been described as a "perfect agreement" and that he intended to ensure that Wakefield Trinity would receive a similar deal and we are grateful to him for that.
The Heads of Terms were submitted to the Council last week well ahead of the deadline.
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| Manuel, are you suggesting that either MC or CB were hoping to sell up?
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| Quote JINJER="JINJER"Manuel, are you suggesting that either MC or CB were hoping to sell up?'"
Don't spoil his nugget of a titbit. Let him enjoy the dimming sliver of the spotlight.
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| Quote Sandal Cat="Sandal Cat"Not sure what you are expecting from the Trust and perhaps you could enlighten us all.
All I can say is that the Club & Trust have as requested by the Council prepared comprehensive Heads of Terms that reflect a similar deal to that of Castleford Tigers at Glasshoughton. You will recall that Peter Box stated in the Council Chamber that the Castleford deal had been described as a "perfect agreement" and that he intended to ensure that Wakefield Trinity would receive a similar deal and we are grateful to him for that.
The Heads of Terms were submitted to the Council last week well ahead of the deadline.'"
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Just remind people, in the Cas deal the council are purporting that a developer just turned up out of the blue and offered to build Cas a brand new stadium at a cost of £13M and let them have it for a quid. What a fantastic deal!!!!
No dubious trusts with bloated individuals wanting to get their snouts in the trough for them. A brand new stadium, no strings attached to own outright for a quid.
Surely its only fair that Michael and Chris should be offered the same deal. In fact lets be honest, I am sure they would be realistic and be prepared to pay 10 times more than Cas for an identical ground. A tenner would be a good price, can't be much fairer than that.
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