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| Quote vastman="vastman"It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.
I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.
What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.
The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.
My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.
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Thanks for that - I'd settle for something like that!
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| Quote vastman="vastman"It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.
I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.
What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.
The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.
My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.
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Could it not go all the way Vasty?
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| Quote vastman="vastman"It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.
I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.
What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.
The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.
My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.
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All it needs to be. I'd like extra height for the TV camara but then the cost goes up.
Just been looking back on the original deal, seems the estimated build cost for Newmarket were circa £8-13m, well for £1m less then the top of that range we get a stand and some upgrades in other areas of the ground rather than a complete new stadium. That's just shows what's happened with build costs over the past decade or so. So while we all feel short changed, the value of what we are getting isn't too far off, and most expected nothing from the charlatan so credit must go to Minards/Carter for getting the deal they did. Time has screwed us more than anything else
I know that wont wash with those who are too bloody minded to accept reality.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.
I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.
What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.
The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.
My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.
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That would be perfect.
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I feel bad the west stand even has to come up, it just looks so utterly terrible though
That mc and Jm have made the east stand happen is utterly incredible
I think it would help if the porta cabins were removed and it was just an open terrace if nothing can be done
We are one of the few clubs that actually owns its own ground and we are getting a new stand it’s amazing truely
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| Quote Khlav Kalash="Khlav Kalash"All it needs to be. I'd like extra height for the TV camara but then the cost goes up.
Just been looking back on the original deal, seems the estimated build cost for Newmarket were circa £8-13m, well for £1m less then the top of that range we get a stand and some upgrades in other areas of the ground rather than a complete new stadium. That's just shows what's happened with build costs over the past decade or so. So while we all feel short changed, the value of what we are getting isn't too far off, and most expected nothing from the charlatan so credit must go to Minards/Carter for getting the deal they did. Time has screwed us more than anything else
I know that wont wash with those who are too bloody minded to accept reality.'"
That is the standing terrace, they have a seated equivalent down the side and that has a gantry so it not an issue. Its east tall enough.
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| Quote musson="musson"Must say
I feel bad the west stand even has to come up, it just looks so utterly terrible though
That mc and Jm have made the east stand happen is utterly incredible
I think it would help if the porta cabins were removed and it was just an open terrace if nothing can be done
We are one of the few clubs that actually owns its own ground and we are getting a new stand it’s amazing truely'"
It is a shame but the money simply isn’t there for now.
Its very easy to get Stadium fever, I do. But at the end of the day the rugby comes first. We’ve made a start, a big start, but we need to turn our efforts back to the team.
I’ll happily accept a scruffy west terrace, if nothing else it pees off arrogant Saints fans.
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| I think one has to consider the work that has been done in the past few years (which included a business destroying pandemic and an economic meltdown) to take ownership of the ground and land and then manage the investment of a huge new stand… upgraded north bank … a new pitch.. new visual system … new floodlighting…
On top of that we have a high performing scholarship and academy set up … a young reserve grade team that made the grand final
If that is a glass that’s half empty … god knows what a half full glass looks like!!
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| Quote Spookisback="Spookisback"I think one has to consider the work that has been done in the past few years (which included a business destroying pandemic and an economic meltdown) to take ownership of the ground and land and then manage the investment of a huge new stand… upgraded north bank … a new pitch.. new visual system … new floodlighting…
On top of that we have a high performing scholarship and academy set up … a young reserve grade team that made the grand final
If that is a glass that’s half empty … god knows what a half full glass looks like!!'"
Spot on. I simply can’t believe the progress we’ve made in the last few years. True it’s yet to show on the pitch but off the field it’s immense.
We are fundamentally a different club to what we were five years ago. We now have a pathway to a future instead of being a club waiting for its luck to run out. We’re not there yet but the evidence of a resurgence is visible.
I know a lot of people find MC abrasive and I get it. Sorry if your reading MC, it’s not my opinion but I can’t deny it is the opinion of a lot of people I talk to, and I try not to talk to idiots. However the man had a goal and that was to turn Trinity into a viable entity with a future and imo he has.
I salute that, I admire single minded people. Not all the time and not all of them but I do in this case. I like to think that if I ran the club I’d do the same, but I doubt I would, I’d get carried away. We survived Covid and we still are and I’m not sure any of our previous leaders would have managed that.
JM has bought a lighter touch but the principles are the same.
I can’t read the future, but what I do know is that now we might have one and only five years ago we didn’t.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Spot on. I simply can’t believe the progress we’ve made in the last few years. True it’s yet to show on the pitch but off the field it’s immense.
We are fundamentally a different club to what we were five years ago. We now have a pathway to a future instead of being a club waiting for its luck to run out. We’re not there yet but the evidence of a resurgence is visible.
I know a lot of people find MC abrasive and I get it. Sorry if your reading MC, it’s not my opinion but I can’t deny it is the opinion of a lot of people I talk to, and I try not to talk to idiots. However the man had a goal and that was to turn Trinity into a viable entity with a future and imo he has.
I salute that, I admire single minded people. Not all the time and not all of them but I do in this case. I like to think that if I ran the club I’d do the same, but I doubt I would, I’d get carried away. We survived Covid and we still are and I’m not sure any of our previous leaders would have managed that.
JM has bought a lighter touch but the principles are the same.
I can’t read the future, but what I do know is that now we might have one and only five years ago we didn’t.'"
I agree with all that Vasty and I'm sure many more on here do.
In the short term, the removal of the portacabins and tidying of the West terrace would surely improve that side immensely, until that side can be tackled.
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| Plenty of pictures of the east stand which is great to see.
Anyone know how the north is getting on with the makeover? can see from previous pictures there is activity going on but nothing about the re-surfacing from what we can see? surely must be soon
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| Quote upthetrin92="upthetrin92"Plenty of pictures of the east stand which is great to see.
Anyone know how the north is getting on with the makeover? can see from previous pictures there is activity going on but nothing about the re-surfacing from what we can see? surely must be soon'"
All I can see is that the old crush barriers have been removed. These are being replaced with new one on both levels if my memory serves me. Other than that I can't tell.
I'd guess the new concrete and steel framing for the North stand is the same as that used for the East, minus the seats, so will possibly arrive and be installed at the same time. Just a guess.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"All I can see is that the old crush barriers have been removed. These are being replaced with new one on both levels if my memory serves me. Other than that I can't tell.
I'd guess the new concrete and steel framing for the North stand is the same as that used for the East, minus the seats, so will possibly arrive and be installed at the same time. Just a guess.'"
Thanks! i wasn't sure if the crash barriers was going to be re-set and re-used.
There was talk of some pillaring to sit the new concreate on wasn't there is I remember rightly, I guess that's what's currently going on.
I wasn't sure if it was pre-cast 'steps' or if they were going to be just fresh concreate laid over the existing, cheers!
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| Quote upthetrin92="upthetrin92"Thanks! i wasn't sure if the crash barriers was going to be re-set and re-used.
There was talk of some pillaring to sit the new concreate on wasn't there is I remember rightly, I guess that's what's currently going on.
I wasn't sure if it was pre-cast 'steps' or if they were going to be just fresh concreate laid over the existing, cheers!'"
Definitely pre-cast on a steel frame. You're right, that was the original idea but it proved too costly once inflation bit away at the budget.
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There has been some mention of size comparison between North Stand and the new East Stand. I’ve looked at the plans and here are the measurements.
East Stand. Total length between 14 roof beams is 96.5 metres.
Roof height @ front (south elevation) 14 metres
Depth. From first row terrace to stairwell/lift shaft 31.7 to 33 metres.( one of the measurements line doesn’t show to this wall)
North stand application drawings from Oct 2011, very basic, shows height of 9 metres @ the front, from the middle walkway. It doesn’t show the length, and there is a sort of sketch for the western terrace development but as I say, very basic
drawings.
Link to the 2011 application
https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... ab=summary
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There has been some mention of size comparison between North Stand and the new East Stand. I’ve looked at the plans and here are the measurements.
East Stand. Total length between 14 roof beams is 96.5 metres.
Roof height @ front (south elevation) 14 metres
Depth. From first row terrace to stairwell/lift shaft 31.7 to 33 metres.( one of the measurements line doesn’t show to this wall)
North stand application drawings from Oct 2011, very basic, shows height of 9 metres @ the front, from the middle walkway. It doesn’t show the length, and there is a sort of sketch for the western terrace development but as I say, very basic
drawings.
Link to the 2011 application
https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... ab=summary
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Definitely pre-cast on a steel frame. You're right, that was the original idea but it proved too costly once inflation bit away at the budget.'"
Was there talk of also covering the back of the stand as well? so its closed in?
not sure if I have that right
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| Quote upthetrin92="upthetrin92"Was there talk of also covering the back of the stand as well? so its closed in?
not sure if I have that right'"
Yes, it’s on JMs last video on trinity tv.
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| Quote upthetrin92="upthetrin92"Was there talk of also covering the back of the stand as well? so its closed in?
not sure if I have that right'"
FWIW, I think the North stand is in a state of flux. How it ends up depends on how well the North stand goes. If there are no issues then they can do more to tart up the North stand, if we hit snags, well it will be the minimum, but yes that's the idea.
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| Quote upthetrin92="upthetrin92"Was there talk of also covering the back of the stand as well? so its closed in?
not sure if I have that right'"
Yes. Minnards said that in his video thing.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"FWIW, I think the North stand is in a state of flux. How it ends up depends on how well the North stand goes. If there are no issues then they can do more to tart up the North stand, if we hit snags, well it will be the minimum, but yes that's the idea.'"
I meant how the East stand goes, doh
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| Quote vastman="vastman"I meant how the East stand goes, doh'"
Talking of which Mr Carter said that they had unearthed another pile of asbestos which was costing £60K to have it removed, surprised nobody has mentioned this before.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"Talking of which Mr Carter said that they had unearthed another pile of asbestos which was costing £60K to have it removed, surprised nobody has mentioned this before.'"
Why are you surprised. Where and when was it announced about this pile of asbestos? If it was at the Monday night forum, then only those in attendance would know about it. Again, poor communication from the club.
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