What on Earth was Rodallega thinking with that lunge?

Never a sending off imo.



Ok under the letter of the law it was, but he wins the ball. Like I said, if Paul Scholes (I use him as an example after his 'tackle' on Palacios a few years ago which was far worse than Hugo's on Saturday) or any other Utd player does the same would he have been sent off - no is the answer.

We're Man United, we'll do what we want.

It was a shocking attempt. It could have ended Rafaels's career. I was very impressed with Wigan on saturday. I thought nZogbia was outstanding.

Don't start with the intent crap. Worst rule ever invented (only rivaled by the 'backing in' rule)

He left the ground and went in with both feet. Obvious straight red in this day and age. There doesn't need to be any intent, reckless will do.



Great comedy avatar by the way. Wigan Ultras. Arf!

I hope Liverpool put a bid in for N'Zogbia, like has been rumoured in the press.

Joint top on points, I don't really care, the point I was making was that I expected Utd to be adrift at this stage of the season, you're laughable.

Decent striker? What is Saha then? You make it sound so easy….bring in one player and everything changes.















Indeed. Moyes has great pedigree having managed Preston and…..errrrrrrr. Everton. At those clubs he won……..errrrrrr……….no trophies. A legend in the making.



You are comparing a manager who has won trophies at three clubs, including three scudettos with one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Agree re Moyes. Hes a class manager and hes time will come (think he will get the united job IF mourinho doesnt want it) But until he handles the pressure of being a manager of a top top team you cant compare him with mancini. Roberto inherited someone elses team and come in stamped hes own authority and a new system and were 4th in the league only 3 points off the top with another transfer window too come were he can get rid of the dead wood. Think everton will finish 7th personally.

Not a decent striker, anymore. He's awful, really bad right now. His movement is non existent, he doesn't challenge for a ball, he's so weak he's easily pushed off the ball. If you watched him every week like we've had too so far you'd be thinking the same. He should never be starting ahead of Yakubu.







I don't think he was actually comparing the managers as such, I see it more as he's saying Moyes is all being all wonderful and with the money Mancini's spent we'd be champions, well you could have the best strikers in the world upfront for us right now but with one up front and a non existent midfield we still wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the league. I don't know if he goes the games but if he did his view I would imagine would be completely different.



Last night was another below par performance, another shoite display from the non existent midfield. We were chasing shadows for the best part of an hour and the 451 style Moyes persists with just isn't working. After 8 years of the same one man up front football it's become very very stale and very predictable, it's so easy to work out how we'll play for opposition managers. It becomes even easier when Saha plays as the lone front man because he can't be arrsed. Our approach to games has become so negative it's untrue, Sunderland scored in the 70th minute last night and what wasn't seen on TV was Moyes had Yakubu and Beckford standing on the touchline for 8 minutes, ready to come on but just standing there doing fook all. If the 451 doesn't work then for the last four games plan B has been to load the pitch with extra strikers, doesn't work. We've picked up 3 points from our last four games and we now lie 14th and only points off the bottom three, we're nearly at the Christmas period, we can't rely on a good second half of the season to get us out of the bottom half and push for Europe, it won't happen. Bolton's good form should be a big lesson to Moyes, a change in tactics and a change in style, a more positive outlook on games and you can find yourself in the top four of the league. But we'll still play 451 at home to West Brom on Saturday, it'll still be Saha upfront on his own and we'll probably scrape another result.

Turmoil at the bridge?

No doubt yet again you're relating it to violence when it's the total opposite.

Indeed, expect a 2 page spread in the papers on how it's because they sacked Ray Wikins. West Ham sacked their assistant manager too today but not a breath of it hardly

Fun while it lasted

Wasting your breath Conroy.

Does anyone else think Ramos and Alonso should be banned for longer for bringing the game into disrepute?



Thought AC Milan were quality tonight. Ambrosini is just quality.

I think the suspension rules are a nonsense anyway. Bookings are given for almost nothing in some games, and in others refs bend over backwards so players aren't booked. Every time a player picks up a booking they are in danger for the rest of the game and have to play with caution. That's enough punishment. So if clubs decide to play to the system and gets bans used up before important games, they should do so.

Not at all, I'm sure it's nothing to do with violence. That's one of the reasons why the idea of a Wigan RL (or, to be fair, and RL team) 'Ultra' is so comical. I appreciate the sentiments behind it though.

Taken from some kopite site



[iThere is a wave that has been hitting British Football Grounds in the past couple of years. Ultras. Now, don't see the word and be terrified of Italian skinhead knife wielding football hooligans, that's not what being an Ultra is all about. British Ultras are all non-violent groups, focussed with the sole purpose of getting behind their team, through traditional flag displays, chanting, and similar. Ultras (Latin word deriving from ultrā, meaning beyond in English, with the implication that their enthusiasm is 'beyond' the normal. [/i

It's quite funny really. Reminds me of a story I heard about Richard Gough. Before matches just before the christmas schedule, he'd let referees know that he was a booking or two away from a ban. He'd get the necerssary bookings then spend Christmas in South Africa!

That's all very well and good but again, that is precisely my point. Being in the presence of these people is exciting and unpleasant. The violence, or at least the threat of it, is inextricably linked to that. I'm not suggesting it's a pre-requisite for a great atmosphere but buying a few flags and calling yourself Ultras is likely to be met with some derison.



However, I repeat, I do see what is trying to be achieved and that at least is commendable. I do also reserve the right to take the in the right circumstances.

I bow to your superior knowledge on the player, fella. I have barely watched him this season. However, I believe my point stands as Moyes had Saha while in form but hasn’t won the league.



My post wasn’t a dig at Moyes as I believe he is a good manager.



It’s easy to say that if a manager changes club he would be a success. That’s not always reality. I am sure a significant of Liverpool fans would argue that Roy Hodgson is a terrible manager, yet Fulham fans would take him back in a flash.

No need for the sarcasim, ask any Evertonian who watches the game and they'll tell you the same thing he's lazy, uninterested and is a shadow of his former self. Maybe it's Moyes constant stance of one man upfront but there's a reason he hasn't scored a goal this season. I wasn't debating the winning the league thing mate (it wasn't me making that point!), we have any striker in the world upfront and we'd never be winning the league, so your point does stand and I agree.







I didn't take it as a dig to Moyes, I was just trying to make the point I don't think Saddened was comparing the careers of Moyes and Mancini as it seems to have been taken. He is a good manager but far too rigid and negative unfortunately.







Again, I agree.

Rumours about that our favourite Spanish waiter will be sacked by Inter next week.



I wonder how the sympathisers about the mess he left Liverpool in will feel now?

Inter were in a terrible way when Benitez took over.