as a neutral



didn't Ferdinand refuse to shake Suarezs' hand also ?



so what does that make him ?

A p**** for not shoving him.



Seriously though, how can anyone even begin to condemn Ferdinand for not shaking Suarez's hand after Suarez snubbed Evra?

Yes he did. The only defence I would offer Ferdinand is that it was instinctive as he was reacting to the Suarez/Evra situation whereas Suarez had a long time to think about what he would do.

Can't believe the media (and forum) hype about this NON incident



A footballer has refused to shake another footballer's hand, NO-ONE'S DIED, NO-ONE'S SHOT THE QUEEN LIVE ON TV.



A non story, in which the media has whipped some sheep into a frenzy.



Let's move on girls, eh.

Who, on this site, has been whipped into a frenzy over this?

you're right of course but there are wider implications here



it's just not a case of not shaking a hand,it's the broader implications for the game as a whole, LFC didn't appeal cos' they knew they couldn't win but still feel aggrieved at the decision - the clubs need to get together with the powers that be and get this sorted

Ferdinand was also "considering" whether to shake John Terry's hand last week.



Ferdinand considers the pre match handshake as optional as drug tests and the drink-drive laws.

Just the usual suspects

you will get chased out of here mate for talking absolute sense. how very dare you.

Sorry, all



My work here is done









Thinking of touting myself out as the new Henry Kissinger

If anyone from LFC talked sense then the world would implode.

Quote flipper="flipper"what? I'd just walk away from this thread if i were you, you are coming out this debacle with less credibility than LFC themselves m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2 ... pe=article'" i am here for as long as i want to be manc.

Quote flipper="flipper"what? I'd just walk away from this thread if i were you, you are coming out this debacle with less credibility than LFC themselves m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2 ... pe=article'" i am here for as long as i want to be manc.

I think the pre-match handshake thing is a farce, and I don't care one way or another if any player refuses the hand of another.



Yesterday was, however, a chance to start putting the Suarez/Evra incident in the past and let everyone move on - Suarez's refusal means it's all been blown up again and the thing is going to run and run.

Landon Donovan should get a lot of credit. He has brought balance to the side that we usually lack. Moyes deciding to play Straculursi has also helped. We spent most of the season with Saha up front on his own and he can't play that target man role at all. Denis can hold the ball up nicely and link play again.



I'm always more confident against the big teams at home that when we play the minnow. Moyes' negative football naturally works against the big teams but aren't effective against sides that are just as negative as they cancel each other out.

Of course you are, and whilst ever you continue to rant and call people stupid I'd imagine you'll be treated with the contempt you deserve

Talking to my mate a Chelsea fan who has travelled home and away for years last night who had just got back from Goodison he is so anti AVB that surely AVB's time is up at the end of the season.

Don't remember all this fuss being made when Roy Keane and Paul Scholes refused to shakes Patrick Viera's hand before a game. Also can't recall Fergie calling either of them two a disgrace to ManU. Odd that.

I am getting pretty fed up with all this....somebody had a good idea in the gym i go to this morning....put them both in a boxing ring and let them get on with it





Suarez is a talent but a maverick (an unpleasant one at that) that Liverpool have to sort out pretty quickly, as for the Man Utd fans wanting to string him up and Sir Alex labelling him a disgrace, well Cantona had various problems as well didn't he?...but he turned out to be a half decent role model by the end of his career.

cantona was dealt with properly by his club.

Chelsea are a great example of how having huge amounts of money can actually be a bad thing at a club.



The club is poisoned by cash and greed....They have players who are motivated by only one thing and that is cash. These same players are so selfish and money-focussed that they refuse to accept their own failings and, instead, when things go wrong, they gang up, protecting their own backs, and, put bluntly, get the manager sacked, by stopping playing.



The power that players now have, means that the clueless owner has little option but to wield the axe on his manager and then bring in another hand-tied puppet who, once the players get fed up with, will go the way of the others.



Everybody can see the problem at Chelsea....A number of players who, quite simply, are not good enough for a club of Chelsea's expectations - However , getting rid of a player or players isn't that simple, especially when they are on the sort of contracts that some of these players are on....For example, Torres, a player who is now completely and utterly shot, would normally be shipped out ASAP, but from Torres's point of view why would you seek a move when you are earning an absolute fortune, whcih is unlikely to be matched anywhere else in the world?



Sadly for Chelsea, this is a problem which will not go away quickly...They are no longer a top 2 side, just a top 6 side at best and that is a slide that doesn't look like being stopped with the owner's policy of constantly changing managers.

Good things that AVB has done. 1. Brought Mata. 2. Brought Luiz.



That's about it really.



We appointed AVB way before he was ready. 1 awesome season just wasn't enough. SB just isn't the place to learn the ropes and AVB simply doesn't have anything close to the personality to win over either the players or the fans.



I do think though that unless we can bring either Jose or Guus back, we're stuck with AVB for 3 years. We can't just keep chopping and changing without reason. The only thing that will see AVB go is if he Benitez's us. While the players are merciless MF's who will go to any lengths to get rid of someone, I'm not sure even they are that hard.

LOL @ Liverpool scrambling to defend Suarez (yet again).



Suarez is a disgrace to the game and the manager is sadly heading in the same direction.

Come on Smiggs the context and backdrop is completely different.

Quote Matt23="Matt23"LOL @ Liverpool scrambling to defend Suarez (yet again). Suarez is a disgrace to the game and the manager is sadly heading in the same direction.'" ha ha ha . 2 blokes didnt shake hands.wow. no one is being massacred in syria or no british troops being killed and maimed in afghan, no other tragedies around the world, nope the main news is 2 blokes who dislike each other not shaking hands.only in britain................ the racist fergiescum fined by uefa. www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL% ... a060400416 i dont recall kenny ever being found guilty and fined for racist abuse like the oh so innocent media dahling his lord highness of fergieland!!!!!!!! the hypocritical c**t.

Quote Matt23="Matt23"LOL @ Liverpool scrambling to defend Suarez (yet again). Suarez is a disgrace to the game and the manager is sadly heading in the same direction.'" ha ha ha . 2 blokes didnt shake hands.wow. no one is being massacred in syria or no british troops being killed and maimed in afghan, no other tragedies around the world, nope the main news is 2 blokes who dislike each other not shaking hands.only in britain................ the racist fergiescum fined by uefa. www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL% ... a060400416 i dont recall kenny ever being found guilty and fined for racist abuse like the oh so innocent media dahling his lord highness of fergieland!!!!!!!! the hypocritical c**t.