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| Quote Cadoo!="Cadoo!"Talented lad I agree but we need some experience in the squad, a leader, some direction in attack and a player with a rugby league brain.
Matt Orford would be ideal.'"
we have poeple in the forwards for that (locky?), no need to sign another foreigner |
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Is this the 'signings/rumours' thread, or the 'dream something up' thread?
Also it tickles me that the people saying e should push British talent on other threads are those demanding NRL signings on this one.
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Orford will be 33 next season..we need to get tomkins a partner that will be around for years..myler would also be my pick
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| Quote Steinlager="Steinlager"Is this the 'signings/rumours' thread, or the 'dream something up' thread?
Also it tickles me that the people saying e should push British talent on other threads are those demanding NRL signings on this one.'"
I dont think you quite get it, anyone who says we shouldnt sign Lockyer clearly has a screw loose. He would nothing but improve Tomkins development and improve the team ten fold. |
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| My thoughts on Lockyer here.
He's too old for Saints 
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| Quote Coventry Warrior!="Coventry Warrior!"I dont think you quite get it, anyone who says we shouldnt sign Lockyer clearly has a screw loose. He would nothing but improve Tomkins development and improve the team ten fold.'"
Actually you don't quite get it. My post was made prior to the Lockyer post being merged into here, and had nothing to do with that particular rumour. |
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"My thoughts on Lockyer here.
He's too old for Saints
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?t=395065[/url'"
One of them calls us 'clueless', and in the same breath reckons Lockyer is too old for Saints. He's somewhat clueless himself where the average age of Saints' other star players is concerned. |
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I would welcome Lockyer at saints but i may be in a minority
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"One of them calls us 'clueless', and in the same breath reckons Lockyer is too old for Saints. He's somewhat clueless himself where the average age of Saints' other star players is concerned.'"
I love a good RL debate but some haven't got a clue. I wish we could open up a site that was by invitation only, because some idiots (on all sites) just get in the way of serious discussion.
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| Myler is contracted to Salford till the end of the 2010 season, so Lockyer in for 2010 & 2011, Myler in for 2011, Tomkins and Myler playing inside Lockyer for 2011 depending on form and injury, Tomkins and Myler partnership from 2012 on. IFL please take note, its as simple as that  |
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| Quote Steinlager="Steinlager"Actually you don't quite get it. My post was made prior to the Lockyer post being merged into here, and had nothing to do with that particular rumour.'"
Damn 
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I like most other sane Wigan fans would support a move for Lockyer - but as far as I can tell this is a rumour that as yet has absolutely no substance.
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to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.
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| Quote [Gareth="[Gareth"eusa_clap.gif
cant see it happening though! we'll plump for another aussie
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I would like to see, although i know it never will as every club would challenge it and it would be a nighmare to sort contracts for players out, a system where in certain positions identified on a 5 year cycle for example are given double quota status.
Positions that are dominated by Aussies and are crucial for us develop as a national team, eg 6 and 7 for a 5 year cycle meaning if we have an overseas player in either of those positions they count as 2 players towards the non federation trained quota. Drastic measures are called upon if we are to ever advance as a sport regards developing young players. |
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Quote wigan_knight="wigan_knight"Orford will be 33 next season..we need to get tomkins a partner that will be around for years..myler would also be my pick'"
32 actually
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Hock
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32 actually
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Hock
17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
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Do you think there maybe a slight problem in that you are over the quota for overseas players?
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I doubt a prop will be signed next season, if a deal was to be done I'd expect it through the course of this season.
By next season I'd say Prekky and Eamon should be experienced enough to hold their own weekly in SL, allowing Ben Davies to come into the first team more.
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| I think Roberts will be our long term fullback tbh, he wasnt even supposed to be here this year but became available so maybe he is a replacement for mathers: 
Roberts
Pryce
Goulding
Carmont
Richards
Tomkins/New Signing (think Smith will go back)
Leuluai
Fielden
Riddell
New Signing
Hansen
Tomkins
O'Loughlin
Hock
Feka
McIlorum
O'Carroll
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Ainscough
Mossop
Farrell
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Quote kirkamania6="kirkamania6"32 actually
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Hock
17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
2.'"
I think the first team there is an option, as we could sign a new half-back to partner Tomkins and have LeuLuai at hooker.
When does Fieldens contract run out? I am not certain he will be rewarded with a new one unless he takes a pay cut.
Is Carmont likely to be here next year as well?
We need some really good signings for next season, other wise we will stay as an average team who just has a good play-off series at the end of the season.
We need to make signings for next season during this summer, but I worry that if Noble does not get a new contract at the end of this season, then the new coach would not have chosen his own players. We need to be aiming high for players but I dont think we should be looking overseas for the forwards at all. We need the overseas class in the backs. |
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Hock
17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
2.'"
I think the first team there is an option, as we could sign a new half-back to partner Tomkins and have LeuLuai at hooker.
When does Fieldens contract run out? I am not certain he will be rewarded with a new one unless he takes a pay cut.
Is Carmont likely to be here next year as well?
We need some really good signings for next season, other wise we will stay as an average team who just has a good play-off series at the end of the season.
We need to make signings for next season during this summer, but I worry that if Noble does not get a new contract at the end of this season, then the new coach would not have chosen his own players. We need to be aiming high for players but I dont think we should be looking overseas for the forwards at all. We need the overseas class in the backs. | |
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Do you think there maybe a slight problem in that you are over the quota for overseas players?'"
And the fact Moi Moi has been inside and had more than 1 or 2 run ins with the law so i do not expect him to be getting a visa anytime soon. |
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| Quote EVERTON1="EVERTON1"to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.'"
I saw ratchford a couple of times last season..he looked very useful.....but he's not an aussie or overseas player..so Noble won't be interested.  |
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| Quote EVERTON1="EVERTON1"to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.'"
Stef's a good player but has yet to break into the first team at Salford let alone establish himself at Super League.
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| Quote EVERTON1="EVERTON1"to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.'"
Myler & Ratchford are better off where they are, they will develop and will be allowed to develop at the right rate far more so than at Wigan. I doubt our current set up would have had the vision or balls to promote either at the rate they have been had they been with us. Huntey has done a cracking job for Salford. We are speculating about bringing in an 18 year old when we struggle to find a place in the 17 for our home grown Tomkins et al, a bit embarrassing really. |
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