Either the team can't follow Lams instruction, or they are and he really has told them to play one out rugby.



This can't be allowed to continue, IL is now responsible for this situation, he is the only one that change it.

I’ve never genuinely hated a coach before but I hate Lam, he’s by far the worst coach this club has had in over 40 years and I include millward in that. He needs to go asap and take several players with him starting with that donkey ISA

Embarrassing

How can we go a full 80 without even looking remotely threatening? We haven’t like scoring once. Have we even been in the Saints 20?

Lam has to go now. Seriously this is beyond poor. We’ve been more intent on having a scrap than playing rugby and even when we’ve tried to we’ve been poor. It looks like none of our lot even know how to play rugby anymore.



I can’t even fathom a positive from tonight. It’s depressing.

Awful

Everything the Oxford United fan said is coming true, Proper laughing stock are we

Turned it off a bit back now had enough probably my last game watching us until that ar*ehole Lam is gone

I'm living in some alternate reality here, one where I'm sticking up for Isa...



He's been the only one showing some passion. He needs to be back in the pack and the rest of the team need to show that intensity.



Also, it's a derby FFS. Is this what RL has become? Some passion and it's get rid of them?

Well after that I think I would prefer us to play one out rugby - it would be a big improveent over that shower of ...



Lam has no idea but a lot of the players are as bad - so many of them have no idea how to play even the basics -so many bang average or worse players.



I would say Marshall was our MOM was the only one who looked to be trying and offer anything at all.



If Lam goes the others with him should as well but we know that won't happen.

I agree regards Isa normally, however can’t condone his actions tonight.



I like him, I think he’s a very good secondrow forward and I think he’s a good guy, but he like Wigan lacked class tonight.

It’s not passion though is it? It’s not like he’s going for the big shots and getting it wrong…he’s just dishing out cheap shots that have zero effect on the other team, other than to motivate them and make us look even more stupid by laughing at us.



I can’t even comment on how good Saints are or aren’t after that…that was a case of us being absolutely shocking.

Bang on

Keeping Wane’s name out of the argument, I think there’s going to be a big shift in the success of the youth systems compared to ours in the next five years.

Couldn’t agree more.

The best post on this forum in years.



I walked off when Isa did.



Rugby League is a joke sport and at the moment.

Attacking a player laid on the ground with the ball yards away is showing passion?

Attack???

Someone else brought wanes name into it



Let's see how well Lam has overseen recruitment ant junior level over the last 3 years then shall we?

put Warrington shirts on.

Wasn’t a pop at you I only quoted a tweet. More than happy to see how well the recruitment goes.

Is that Lams job?



I don’t think it is. It certainly isn’t at most clubs.



In relation to scouting I’ve not seen a Wigan scout in Yorkshire for a long time. Not regularly anyway.

I left with ten minutes to go. I can't recall doing that before. But we never looked like scoring a try in the whole match. I said upthread, I wonder how long he would keep Shorrocks at dummy-half; I thought, perhaps for the first twenty, till they tire a little, and then bring Borouh on? But no, Shorrocks for all the first half, and then Borouh on, and then Shorrocks back again, wtf? Was Borouh injured? Shorrocks tackled tirelessly, as he always does, but he doesn't offer a threat from dummy-half, As others have said, Saints didn't really need to get out of second gear.

I bet Wane knew every single thing about every player being recruited at Wigan in his time.

I bet Bellamy, trent Robinson etc know whats going on and oversee at their clubs



Lam (sorry) in his words could "Take coaching or leave it" or words to that effect.



4/5 games in I knew he wasn't the man for me, full of excuses, full of blame for everyone else.



You can talk about scouts, etc etc, a top coach would know EVERYTHING that was going on and would be in charge of strategy, culture etc at the club

To start on the only positive I can take from that game is I can’t fault the players for effort.



I’m really disappointed with Isa. I’m all for aggression and getting stuck in but he lost his cool tonight. 2/3 matches for the shot on the floor on Welsby is deserved and he should have seen red.



Bentley really rattled us tonight, he reminds me of Bateman 5 or 6 years ago, he winds the opposition up and plays slightly over the line but not far enough to get in any real trouble. We fell for it hook line and sinker. One thing that irks me is how a player who stands up to a player who kicked him in the head gets the same punishment.



We can criticise the attack, halves or backs all we want but we go back to the same old problem of not having a platform to play off, with our current pack that won’t change. Hopefully the two coming in can make a difference.



This season is a write off, we need to look to build for next year now starting with the coach.

Abject surrender, going for two was the equivalent of running the white flag up, wouldn't mind if Saints were any good but they've fallen so far from what Holbrook had them playing and to beat us without breaking sweat is mortifying.

I might be wrong but I can't remember them making a single tackle within 10m of their own line, I'd say it can't get any worse but I wouldn't\t bet against it.