Think you have a problem of size in the wigan pack though and the relation between fitness and bulk. We are playing too many 'smaller' players in powerful positions. we have and will continue to struggle in big games with the pairing of Farrell and bateman for example.

to the poster who mentioned making clubb fitter till he could play 70mins - you will likely then see him lose his effectiveness as the guy was a 13/centre before we bulked him up.

I wrote this half in jest, half in despair after one of those awful performances we'd been churning out, maybe there was something in it after all

So what about the challenge cup?

I thought he played as well yesterday as he has in a while. Certainly offered more go forward than he often does.

Interesting and honest comments from the man himself about his form here www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-7459042

Interesting and honest comments from the man himself about his form here www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-7459042

I'm really pleased for Lee that he seems to be getting his form back. I posted earlier on this season that his injury hit time in Australia would take some getting over and I think that's how it has proved. He was excellent on Friday. (By the way, I wouldn't mind Liam Watts at Wigan - a link up with Scott Taylor suggests Hull may have a very strong pack next season when you add in Houghton, Minichiello, Pritchard, Manu and with Ellis and Westerman to return).