Hes stupid, only has himself to blame and deserves everything he gets.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I think the scrapping of the u23s has put added pressure on young kids to impress early.



He says he only took once but I seriously doubt that, he'd get no results from one shot/tab of Dbol. Maybe he did one cycle which length depends on how he took the Dbol. 6 week cycles are the norm from a tab but can be run longer from injectable.



Dbol is very potent steroid and some have gained around 16lbs in a 6 week cycle (mostly water retention) but if taken orally as I suspect he has can also be very liver toxic so pleabty of water and liver support would have been needed with milk thistle. High blood pressure, high cholesterol, hair loss, inferitiilty and acne also very common with Dbol.



I just hope he's running or run Pct from a Dbol cycle as it's very very prone to causing gynacamstica and bring is natural test levels back in order. Many suggest running a drug called armidex at 0.5mg per day to prevent gyno occurring and also clomid to bring his natural test back on order so basically his balls back to normal size.



As you can see, the is many negatives with PEDs if not run with proper knowledge.



Steroid education should be given by all clubs to all the youth players.

Lets be honest though, that's around 1.5 tests per player per year (assuming only those in Super League are tested). Just because the other sports don't do much either doesn't mean to say that RL is great either. Of those tests that were taken, how many were blood tests vs urine?



As said earlier, Lance Armstrong was said to have been tested around 70 times a year at his peak, and didn't fail one. I'm sure if you were of the mind to do this then the meagre testing wouldn't be much of a deterrent as you could relatively easily get round it.



Hopefully this isn't widespread, I just have doubts when you have a very physical sport, decent financial rewards for success plus easy to circumvent regulations.

Quote ="adi"Lets be honest though, that's around 1.5 tests per player per year (assuming only those in Super League are tested). Just because the other sports don't do much either doesn't mean to say that RL is great either. Of those tests that were taken, how many were blood tests vs urine? As said earlier, Lance Armstrong was said to have been tested around 70 times a year at his peak, and didn't fail one. I'm sure if you were of the mind to do this then the meagre testing wouldn't be much of a deterrent as you could relatively easily get round it. Hopefully this isn't widespread, I just have doubts when you have a very physical sport, decent financial rewards for success plus easy to circumvent ">regulations.'" Have you any idea what Lance Armstrong was using? If he was using HGH then that was pretty much impossible to test for until 2yrs ago. Dbol will show 100% on every test.

Quote ="adi"Lets be honest though, that's around 1.5 tests per player per year (assuming only those in Super League are tested). Just because the other sports don't do much either doesn't mean to say that RL is great either. Of those tests that were taken, how many were blood tests vs urine? As said earlier, Lance Armstrong was said to have been tested around 70 times a year at his peak, and didn't fail one. I'm sure if you were of the mind to do this then the meagre testing wouldn't be much of a deterrent as you could relatively easily get round it. Hopefully this isn't widespread, I just have doubts when you have a very physical sport, decent financial rewards for success plus easy to circumvent ">regulations.'" Have you any idea what Lance Armstrong was using? If he was using HGH then that was pretty much impossible to test for until 2yrs ago. Dbol will show 100% on every test.

Quote ="St pete"Have you any idea what Lance Armstrong was using? If he was using HGH then that was pretty much impossible to test for until 2yrs ago. Dbol will show 100% on every ">test.'" What do these things cost to buy? I would assume your bog-standard steroids (are there such things?) would be relatively cheap whereas something like HGH is rather more expensive. Then there's the support network you'd need if there was to be systematic doping, with the ability to schedule the odd bladder flush at short notice, or carry a spare penis around like (I think) Mike Tyson has confessed to doing (I think it was Tyson, I'll happily sit corrected), etc, etc..... There's still the possibility of random testing (even if it does work out at 1 or 2 players per club per year - which I agree is patheticly low), so the risk to reward ratio is proportionately high. If RL players were being paid wendyballer salaries & their appearance on the park was to make or break the mansion in Alderley Edge, it might make sense, but this lad simply got lazy and is probably missing a dollop or three of common sense to boot.

Quote ="St pete"Have you any idea what Lance Armstrong was using? If he was using HGH then that was pretty much impossible to test for until 2yrs ago. Dbol will show 100% on every ">test.'" What do these things cost to buy? I would assume your bog-standard steroids (are there such things?) would be relatively cheap whereas something like HGH is rather more expensive. Then there's the support network you'd need if there was to be systematic doping, with the ability to schedule the odd bladder flush at short notice, or carry a spare penis around like (I think) Mike Tyson has confessed to doing (I think it was Tyson, I'll happily sit corrected), etc, etc..... There's still the possibility of random testing (even if it does work out at 1 or 2 players per club per year - which I agree is patheticly low), so the risk to reward ratio is proportionately high. If RL players were being paid wendyballer salaries & their appearance on the park was to make or break the mansion in Alderley Edge, it might make sense, but this lad simply got lazy and is probably missing a dollop or three of common sense to boot.

Quote ="CyberPieMan"What do these things cost to buy? I would assume your bog-standard steroids (are there such things?) would be relatively cheap whereas something like HGH is rather more expensive. Then there's the support network you'd need if there was to be systematic doping, with the ability to schedule the odd bladder flush at short notice, or carry a spare penis around like (I think) Mike Tyson has confessed to doing (I think it was Tyson, I'll happily sit corrected), etc, etc..... There's still the possibility of random testing (even if it does work out at 1 or 2 players per club per year - which I agree is patheticly low), so the risk to reward ratio is proportionately high. If RL players were being paid wendyballer salaries & their appearance on the park was to make or break the mansion in Alderley Edge, it might make sense, but this lad simply got lazy and is probably missing a dollop or three of common sense to ">boot.'" Some might pay about £50 for 100x50mg tabs of Dbol with the injectable about £20 for 50ml. Plus your on cycle therapy and post cycle therapy if he's done that. HGH is expensive. Some might pay between £130 to £180 for 100iu which would last aprox 5 weeks . Dbol would benefit a rugby player much more as it's very potent and get big fast gains in 6 week cycle. HGH is less potent and less risky to your health. Some might say HGH has many positives like great sleep, lean muscle mass, better skin, better hair, increased libido and helps to recover.

Quote ="CyberPieMan"What do these things cost to buy? I would assume your bog-standard steroids (are there such things?) would be relatively cheap whereas something like HGH is rather more expensive. Then there's the support network you'd need if there was to be systematic doping, with the ability to schedule the odd bladder flush at short notice, or carry a spare penis around like (I think) Mike Tyson has confessed to doing (I think it was Tyson, I'll happily sit corrected), etc, etc..... There's still the possibility of random testing (even if it does work out at 1 or 2 players per club per year - which I agree is patheticly low), so the risk to reward ratio is proportionately high. If RL players were being paid wendyballer salaries & their appearance on the park was to make or break the mansion in Alderley Edge, it might make sense, but this lad simply got lazy and is probably missing a dollop or three of common sense to ">boot.'" Some might pay about £50 for 100x50mg tabs of Dbol with the injectable about £20 for 50ml. Plus your on cycle therapy and post cycle therapy if he's done that. HGH is expensive. Some might pay between £130 to £180 for 100iu which would last aprox 5 weeks . Dbol would benefit a rugby player much more as it's very potent and get big fast gains in 6 week cycle. HGH is less potent and less risky to your health. Some might say HGH has many positives like great sleep, lean muscle mass, better skin, better hair, increased libido and helps to recover.