Thats the biggest worry demon,we are classed as a big crowd



As for london I really don't care about them.



True we didn't know were we were regarding a club but why not more reason to get cash in by saying its the same as last season?



But instead they have gambled on people paying and turning up ,but like I said once people get out of the habit its hard for them to get back





And now we are tucked away on some unknown satillite station with even less exposure on a thursday.





Melt down for our league this season

Raise awareness to the general public? do you think they'd care and if you found any that did what good would it do?



The CC is one of the few opportunities to boost our average and perhaps get some cash in.

Saturday Teatime ?NO WAY

I do matinees at the Circus Saturday afternoons ,and the even performance starts at 7.30pm, also fridays are out as its the Donkeys day off at the Beach remember the CLOWNS



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Widnes manage Fridays

And boy do we need it glow,wigan or warrington away will do for me,assuming they don't get in for free?

Rather have a sell out at LSV myself.

I still think fridays 7.30 or 8pm kick of will be best.

As for competing with SL clubs on tv,surely watching another rl club on tv wouldn't put off people attending our games.

So would i glow but we are likely to get 4 or 5 thousand here at the lsv were as at there grounds its more likely to be 7 or 8 thou

Very true , but only the Mutant Donkeys get a game , also if Maurice doesnt get a seat on the Board , ive offered him a place on the Beach Fridays , working the Punch and Judy tent , and Jesus-is Coming is in training for the Trapeze , NO NETS



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I haven't been critical of PR's appointment though





We have what we have, I am bringing a BoB, if we all did the same then we wouldn't be seeing 1300 gates would we.

Charlie I have stated you can keep that seat but the punch n Judy offer is too good to turn down, especially with us not playing on Sundays

No way 'maurice'. We realise that we've ****** it up big time and that we should revert immediately to the situation we had a few short months ago - i.e. sliding rapidly into oblivion.



Unless of course, you are willing to devote some of your undoubted knowledge, expertise and time to boosting our crowds to 12,000, raking in much needed sponsorship and saving the day - without needing to talk to anyone else, in achieving that?

The money is not to good , but the rewards are great Mo , and if we get to the NRC Final you could keep the Leythers happy ,while myself and Jesus entertain them at the Tower .





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My only concern is that break even is 2000, so if we are 600 light then that means £6000+vat we have to be over elsewhere in income, don't forget the board have stated no cash will be ploughed in by them.



Last years ticket was too cheap and the neutral figure against last year will be much lower due to increased admission costs, this year is about survival by generating income and controling costs - I hate to say this but the RL is a distant second, although it would be nice to have a good year again.

It was said at the last Fans Forum that 1,800 is the break even - an average of 2,000 would see most (if not all?) of the debt paid off by the end of the season and 2,200 would see us make a certain amount of profit.



Would be interesting to see the difference in season ticket income between this season and last as I there was a minimum £40 increase for adults, although I actually paid £85 more than 2011 when bearing in mind buying for the West Stand and an extra kids one. I'm sure I'm not the only one as well.

For this 2000 or 1800 speccies to break even etc. Is this based on what % Adults - kids ratio? Surely as an extreme example we got 1800 kids and 200 adults we would be struggling.

Also the attendance of 1400 at Hunslet - did that include ST's that didn't go?

I have missed something here? What debt, we took the RFL money early to pay off Taxman - what other debt?

If 1800 is break even, as LL states it depends on mix and, as we have already discussed, it seems the policy was to spread income rather than sell season tickets cheaply - income is king how we achieve it doesn't really matter this year.

Maybe debt isn't the right way to phrase it then (although I'm sure that was the phrase used at the Fans Forum), but either way there's a £90k deficit because of taking the RFL money early to pay HMRC.



The mix of adults/concessions etc is generally pretty consistent so I'm sure that will have been taken in to account.

I am in awe of your honesty in the matter, but I wouldn't advise the former. I don't think the latter is achievable but let me know after the Wheeltappers entertainment group has met to discuss strategy.

I may be thick, indeed I probably am, but if we take 2012 money to pay 2011 bill, then we forecast 2012 income and as such break even crowds knowing we don't have that revenue coming in. Hence does 1800, 2000 or 2200 cover costs? If they don't want us to know fair enough, they own it, if they do then lets settle on what is needed to do exactly what.

Its very important we don't dilute our entertainment impact, either the punch n Judy moves to the tower or your getting sand in your size 32's.

what's the answer for London Bronco's ??

Got 500 more fans than us, in our NRC group game, v Hunslet !!!

We can either talk about things and then implement some of them, and try to improve life, or we can constantly appear on here, moaning about a total lack of transparency, and what has been done wrong that is, according to some, harming the club, even more.



Some of us have chosen the former and some the latter - which category do you fall into?

I am definately getting thicker by the day 200 fans over 12 games =£24000 pa, this is nowhere near the £90k used to pay off last years tax bill so I am at a loss to understand this 1800, 2000 and 2200 gate income conundrum.

My comments refn PSG and TC were uncalled for last night btw - sorry.