Yep, I agree. I'm not trying to pin all the blame on Dufty for us losing on Saturday. Just pointing out an incident that is part of a wider issue with his attitude.







We're currently in the top 4 so there are only 3 other teams, of which we have played 1 twice, as you know. He has scored a try in each game against Catalan but also cost us a try in each game by not even attempting to contest kicks so I'm not sure how that is tosh. I imagine it will look the same after we have played Wigan and Saints











I would love you to show me another dozen examples of what we saw from Dufty on Saturday as I think you'll struggle to find any clubs bar the bottom few where this had occurred. The only other player with similar tendencies is Field, but he seems to have gotten better in those situations since he first came into superleague.







I agree but would extend the period into the 2nd June. At that point we will have played Wigan as well. And also Catalans a third time before we have even played Wigan which is just stupid.



I know Duftys strengths. I'm not trying to say he is a terrible player. In attack he is fantastic but I'll never be on board with someone who wimps out of certain situations because it's those types of players that usually end up costing you the big, tight games.

For top 4 read last year's top 4 for comparison ie HKR and he only has 1 against Catalans but yeah let's see after Wigan and Saints, but I'm certain his record will be better this year.



I think I can quite comfortably find a dozen incidents in Super League of players letting a ball bounce or not going for a high ball. I'd also agree with you on Field in that he is a similar (yet not as good) player as Dufty and that his defence has improved particularly his cover tackle I don't get why you can't see the same in Dufty.



I understand your frustations with Dufty and that these don't frustrate me as much because of his positives, and I really hope that you aren't right that it costs us in a big game, and that we are talking about how Duftys try won us a GF/challenge cup.



What I genuinely hope for is that we don't have to have these discussions and that our major issues is the trophy cabinet is too small and the bill for cleaning our silverware is crippling.

Hang on we’re not talking 2nd half of the season Ben Barba style defence!

Dufty plain and simple on three occasions has chickened out of attempting to catch a high ball.. that’s not a mistake that’s a problem within Dufty himself.. as good as he has been these last few months it doesn’t excuse him for not having the balls to make a decent effort catching the high ball..

The only one harking on about past errors is you.





His tackle attempt in that game was pretty poor and cost a try, hence my comment. I think most reasonable posters on here would agree with me.

He's no Steve Hampson for sure, but what to do with him? Do you drop our most dangerous offensive player?

I think not cos he scores/makes more than he let's in but I'm sure he will be being worked on. Some of the tries he has let in have been a bit strange. Who would come in? We might have a similar problem.

Exactly. Thewlis has not looked rock solid in defence or under a high kick recently either and we are trying to move on from Ratchford.



Dufty earns his place for me, he is a dangerous player and entertaining to watch. His deficiencies can be worked on and you cannot coach pace.

Hope the coaching staff can install confidence and make sure he at least try’s to attempt a catch.. I’d stick with him, it seems we have no one better. Thewlis has started to look shaky as well, so that rules him out.. fingers crossed that Burgess works on a plan to get the covering defence to work harder at shielding Dufty on the high kicks and not leave him exposed to oncoming attackers

In Dufty's case, I think that's the point of the debate, there's no need for over reaction to any criticism.



AFAIC I wouldn't lose his attacking threat if he continues in this season's vein of form, then fine by me. We accept he has flaws and work on strategies to cope with them. He's not suddenly going to become a Hampson or Hodgson, you can't coach that IMO, but we need to protect him a bit better from the chase and try and get the opposition kicking from deeper and apply pressure rather than letting the likes of Abdul kick us to death, which will be an opposition blue print as team's sniff out a perceived weakness.

Agreed UR, pressuring the kicker (while not going so far as attempting to charge down every kick as per TS) and giving Dufty “coverage” are the ares to concentrate on. Abdul was given way too much time, we all knew what he was going to do so the players must have, there just didn’t seem to be a plan.

I guess Marshall will be working overtime on how to deal with it as every team will see it as a blueprint. Unless we bring Ratchford back in as a specialist to deal with that threat, and to kick goals.

Ratchford at centre I mean.

I get that there might be variables such as weather (wind/sun/wet) but you'd think kick pressure and catch protection would be a relatively simple thing to coach?



There aren't that many contested variables

How tall is Dufty? Is that a factor in his not being able to contest high balls?

Not much doubt that being 6ft 4 ins & say 17st is a handier than being 5ft 8 and a half.

The kick that Dufty missed in the Catalan game wasn`t a high kick at all.



It was just a speculative kick and the bounce deceived him and favoured Tom Johnstone.



Should he have done better....probably, but it certainly wasn`t a high kick.

There is a proactive defence to protect Dufty (and Thewlis, let’s be honest!) which comes down to stopping them kicking from attacking positions. We leak meters so quickly at times. I think we’re terrified of giving away penalties, but if you watch Wigan and Saints, they don’t care about the whistle. They care about the tempo and owning that tempo. If they give away a penalty, so what. They have a breather and defend again and get back in control of the speed of the game.



For us, we are in reverse unless we get a miracle kick. We don’t strangle or suffocate teams. We desperately need to learn to respect the whistle, not fear it.

We were basically blown away at the start of both halves before finding our way back into the tussle. 40 minute involvement from the outset would have seen Catalans off. We need to be aware from the very start to compete with the top teams.

I see it as progress that they needed a full team to beat us this time!

Im sure I read that we would "learn lessons" again...

Would be worse if they didn’t say this.

Yeah it's all just BS words for "we ed up again".

Let's be realistic , how many times have we been caught napping by so-called lesser teams & found ourselves chasing the game? Proactive rugby instead of reactive is what we need.

They have to say something and acknowledging publicly that there is work to do is no more than they expect. In fairness it was an horrific start where everything Catalans do d resulted in a score. Not a problem Burgess has seen before in this team and it needs to be worked on. Catalans are a top 3 team, we aim to be but aren’t there yet.

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