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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"No, you can steal the ball in the tackle over the try line. However I think Dwyer then went into touch so it would have been Wire ball.'"
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| Quote Alffi_7="Alffi_7"I believe the correct restart would be a penalty to the attacking team if it was deemed a ball steal? But as you mention, the penalty try awarded for a ball steal was dropped some time ago.'"
Yeah that's right.
It happened right in front of us and in real time you give a try everyday of the week. Hence it goes up to the video ref as a try. Rules are the video ref then has to have conclusive proof that it wasn't a try to overturn the decision. I watched it back last night and there is no conclusive proof as the ball disappears from sight with players falling down on it. Even now on balance having seen it live and then on video I'd say its likely to have been grounded in the initial dropping to the deck. Just because Dwyer gets up with ball in his hands means nothing. |
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I'm on a tour of the Portugese Sherry Vineyards at the moment to top up supplies which took a hammering during the cup semi, so I had to listen in on GMR.
First off, great two points and nice to see Williams get the winning kick - he's done us to death a few times with his boot so nice to be on the right side.
However, the team is really making it hard for themselves. Yes, mitigating circumstances last night with a short turnaround but our first half completion rate in the first half of the Wigan game was equally poor.
We need to establish a platform before we start offload-a-thons and risky passes though with the talent in that team, when it comes off they look great. Powell will be salivating.
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| Quote morrisseyisawire="morrisseyisawire"I'm on a tour of the Portugese Sherry Vineyards at the moment to top up supplies which took a hammering during the cup semi, so I had to listen in on GMR.
First off, great two points and nice to see Williams get the winning kick - he's done us to death a few times with his boot so nice to be on the right side.
However, the team is really making it hard for themselves. Yes, mitigating circumstances last night with a short turnaround but our first half completion rate in the first half of the Wigan game was equally poor.
We need to establish a platform before we start offload-a-thons and risky passes though with the talent in that team, when it comes off they look great. Powell will be salivating.'"
I think the 3 weeks away from the training field will have as big an impact as the short turnaround. |
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Take away the I've gotta try or no try from the refs and let the guy upstairs make a decision..
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Yep our completion rate is a real worry. Some of our passing was at best "optimistic". But this Leeds side isn't bad ... so a good one to win.
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Beaten Saints away, Wigan away, Catalans away, Leeds away and drew with Hull (before their standard mid-season implosion)......that's not bad going, especially when there is a lot of room for improvement.
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I personally enjoyed the game. 2 teams backing up after 72 hours or so put on a great display with a finish that you talk about long after. 2 awesome wins wire within a few days of each other. Ignore the doom mongers and carry on building form.
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Struggled with their middles again first half.
Weirdly at one point in the 2nd qe had mulhern davis and longstaff as our middle 3 before Hughes got shifted to middle of the field.
Williams needs some decent direct runners outside him,
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The Leeds middles are good & Mikolaj Oledzki is right handful ... best prop around I reckon.
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He's come on a lot, I thought he was like bambi on ice 2 seasons ago, combined with holroyd and prior, all similar stature, very leggy.
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As an aside Walker's try should've been an 8 point one, grubby Gale goes flying in with his foot....naughty.
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| Quote Smiffy27="Smiffy27"The Leeds middles are good & Mikolaj Oledzki is right handful ... best prop around I reckon.'"
He's a good player. If we could play fantasy RL, I'd have him & that Wigan lad, Pearce-paul at the top of my list. |
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| Quote Alffi_7="Alffi_7"I believe the correct restart would be a penalty to the attacking team if it was deemed a ball steal? But as you mention, the penalty try awarded for a ball steal was dropped some time ago.'"
I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway." |
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Still feeling quite positive today. Those saying we need to respect the ball and build pressure are right; in the first half we did lots of daft things and were trying to score off every pass, even in our own half.
After the break, and especially after we went 26-20 down, we played a more sensible game with the ball and showed confidence in our ability to break them down in the middle. Warrington teams of recent memory start lobbing the ball around like wannabe Harlem Globetrotters: we didn't, and we took our chances when they came.
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Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."'"
Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here  . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved.
Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else.
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Quote Rogues Gallery2. Ball Steal - The ball can be stolen from the player in possession at any stage prior to a tackle being completed and when there is only one defender effecting the tackle.
If there are two or more defenders effecting the tackle and the ball is stolen a penalty should be awarded except if the player in possession is attempting to ground the ball for a try.
(note – this changes the previous situation whereby a defender would be penalised for stealing the ball if other defenders had been involved in the tackle then dropped off)'"
Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange |
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Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."'"
Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved.
Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else.
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Quote Rogues Gallery2. Ball Steal - The ball can be stolen from the player in possession at any stage prior to a tackle being completed and when there is only one defender effecting the tackle.
If there are two or more defenders effecting the tackle and the ball is stolen a penalty should be awarded except if the player in possession is attempting to ground the ball for a try.
(note – this changes the previous situation whereby a defender would be penalised for stealing the ball if other defenders had been involved in the tackle then dropped off)'"
Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange | |
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I'd assume (the ball steal when over the line) is more to do with the defender being able to make a play at preventing the ball being grounded, which we often see, but then also ensures the attacker doesn't surrender the ball in order to get the penalty..
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."'"
Surely the question relevant to last night is what happens if Dwyer steals the ball four on one after the ball is grounded by Charnley.
Answer - a try is awarded and Dwyer throws his arms up in the air and stamps the ground like a spoilt four year old. |
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| Quote shinymcshine="shinymcshine"I'd assume (the ball steal when over the line) is more to do with the defender being able to make a play at preventing the ball being grounded, which we often see, but then also ensures the attacker doesn't surrender the ball in order to get the penalty..'"
That's up to the referee to determine what is a genuine strip and what is an attacking player releasing the ball - just as they do in general play?
The defender also wraps the ball up in the field of play to prevent an offload, I'm struggling to see why there needs to be a different rule tbh. |
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| Quote lefty goldblatt="lefty goldblatt"20 posts, so far.'"
Almost 40 posts, now, almost all pointing to the notion that Hicks is on our payroll, including reference to Wembley 2019
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Quote Alffi_7="Alffi_7"Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here
. Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved.
Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else.
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Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange'"
Try then, albeit a penalty try. They all count. |
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Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else.
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Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange'"
Try then, albeit a penalty try. They all count. | |
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| Quote lefty goldblatt="lefty goldblatt"Almost 40 posts, now, almost all pointing to the notion that Hicks is on our payroll, including reference to Wembley 2019
We really do seem to be getting under their scouse skin
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Bizarre as we “aren’t rivals”. There is more discussion about us yesterday than there was about their own upcoming match.
I have tried to reason with them in the past but while some are reasonable a fair view remind me of the old saying
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| Why do people complain that Saints fans are obsessed with Wire, when there's always constant commentary on here about what people are saying on the redvee forum? Do you monitor every other club's message board, or is it just Saints?
It's like when you find yourself repeatedly looking at somebody's facebook or instagram. You can bet you fancy that person big time. You're obsessed, and the likelihood is they aren't into you 
The only reason people here care so much about Saints, is because they win things and we're jealous. If we started winning Grand Finals and Saints got relegated, pretty soon nobody here would care about what was said on the Saints messageboard, just like nobody checks up on the Widnes messageboard where they also probably have threads dedicated to slagging us off. |
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"Why do people complain that Saints fans are obsessed with Wire, when there's always constant commentary on here about what people are saying on the redvee forum? Do you monitor every other club's message board, or is it just Saints?
It's like when you find yourself repeatedly looking at somebody's facebook or instagram. You can bet you fancy that person big time. You're obsessed, and the likelihood is they aren't into you
The only reason people here care so much about Saints, is because they win things and we're jealous. If we started winning Grand Finals and Saints got relegated, pretty soon nobody here would care about what was said on the Saints messageboard, just like nobody checks up on the Widnes messageboard where they also probably have threads dedicated to slagging us off.'"
Very true. Plus Wire and Saints are very similar fan bases. Very close geographically and both clubs supporters grew up in the shadow of an a dominant local rival (Widnes then Wigan). Saints had our breakout in the late 90s when we started winning titles, burst of very cocky fans with no concept of what went before or how to act turned up. Warrington will be exactly the same when the titles eventually arrive. Saints fans definitely fear Warrington, easily the biggest threat to our mini-spell of dominance and our chances of future trophies generally. Wire fans are resentful of our success, although few very from either side would admit that. |
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