Firstly is Patten a massive improvement on Fitzy ? YES 1000% !



I starting following the Reds the season after the playoff year and TBH how he stayed the Number one fullback through right till the end of last season I'll never know . Nothing in attack and laughable when bringing the ball back !



Patten is a presence and It's great to see him lining up EVERY SINGLE WEEK ! . He has had shaky moments and from what I have seen always demands the highest standards from himself ! Defensively if he is the last line then the damage to the line has already been done and the likelihood is he will be outnumbered anyway !



Offensively he is fast , strong , wise and obv links up with DJ really well (If a little obvious at times !)



I for one do not Doubt him and I think we will be hard pushed to find a better replacement when his contract is up !

Quote ="king of the shed"I know I'll sound like I think he's Neil Baker or something (which clearly I don't BTW) but just to add to his defence, it's easy to pick out the full back for mistakes as I've said before, but let's look at one of our other golden balls players, say Stef for instance , quality player on his day but compare his stats to Patten: Try Assists: Patten - 15 Ratchford - 10 Meters: Patten - 1873 Ratchford - 1230 Offloads: Patten - 24 Ratchford - 14 Tackle Busts: Patten - 15 Ratchford - 10 Clean Breaks: Patten - 9 Ratchford - 11 Missed Tackles: Patten - 33 Ratchford - 42 Errors: Patten - 21 Ratchford - 24 Penalties: Patten - 4 Ratchford - 14 Not having a dig at Stef (although he has made the second most errors for us and given away the penalties - think of that next time you say "bloody Jewitt again" icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> ) the point I am making is, as I've said above it much easier to to pick up on what a full back does wrong than most other ">positions.'" Think the meters stat is a bit misleading ... Patten has had far more carries (371) than Ratchford (17icon_cool.gif, yet on a per carry basis Ratchford actually makes more yards (6.9m vs 5m). This is even more remarkable when you consider the amount of easy yards you'd expect Patten to get from kick returns. Generally speaking though I think Patten has been a bit under-rated this season. Think if anything those stats highlight the areas Ratchford would need to work on if he was to stay in the centres (offloads, tackle busts, missed tackles).

Quote ="king of the shed"I know I'll sound like I think he's Neil Baker or something (which clearly I don't BTW) but just to add to his defence, it's easy to pick out the full back for mistakes as I've said before, but let's look at one of our other golden balls players, say Stef for instance , quality player on his day but compare his stats to Patten: Try Assists: Patten - 15 Ratchford - 10 Meters: Patten - 1873 Ratchford - 1230 Offloads: Patten - 24 Ratchford - 14 Tackle Busts: Patten - 15 Ratchford - 10 Clean Breaks: Patten - 9 Ratchford - 11 Missed Tackles: Patten - 33 Ratchford - 42 Errors: Patten - 21 Ratchford - 24 Penalties: Patten - 4 Ratchford - 14 Not having a dig at Stef (although he has made the second most errors for us and given away the penalties - think of that next time you say "bloody Jewitt again" icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> ) the point I am making is, as I've said above it much easier to to pick up on what a full back does wrong than most other ">positions.'" Think the meters stat is a bit misleading ... Patten has had far more carries (371) than Ratchford (17icon_cool.gif, yet on a per carry basis Ratchford actually makes more yards (6.9m vs 5m). This is even more remarkable when you consider the amount of easy yards you'd expect Patten to get from kick returns. Generally speaking though I think Patten has been a bit under-rated this season. Think if anything those stats highlight the areas Ratchford would need to work on if he was to stay in the centres (offloads, tackle busts, missed tackles).

Quote ="The Original Red Devils"Your not allowed a different opinion than anyone who is connected to forever reds icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />'" I'm not sure Forever Reds (the posters) is anything to do with the running of Forever reds mate, I'd presume it's merely a name.

Quote ="The Original Red Devils"Your not allowed a different opinion than anyone who is connected to forever reds icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />'" I'm not sure Forever Reds (the posters) is anything to do with the running of Forever reds mate, I'd presume it's merely a name.

I agree. Seem to remember Patten being pretty solid under kicks earlier in the season. A couple of cocks ups at Wire and at home vs Quins and he is suddenly an awful defensive player? Not for me.

Quote ="The Original Red Devils"Your not allowed a different opinion than anyone who is connected to forever reds icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />'" Haha i didn't know there was a company to do with salford called Forever Reds, i just see the posters and stuff so i picked it, if you look at my date it shows im new to the sport, just started watching two seasons ago icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="The Original Red Devils"Your not allowed a different opinion than anyone who is connected to forever reds icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />'" Haha i didn't know there was a company to do with salford called Forever Reds, i just see the posters and stuff so i picked it, if you look at my date it shows im new to the sport, just started watching two seasons ago icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="Karlos13"I agree. Seem to remember Patten being pretty solid under kicks earlier in the season. A couple of cocks ups at Wire and at home vs Quins and he is suddenly an awful defensive player? Not for ">me.'" Not quite true though Karl he's made massive errors all season long and could have prevented many of the try's we have conceded, just go through all our games this year starting with Crusaders at MM and count how many 4 pointers should have been prevented by him. Right this sounds like I've got it in for and I've not honest! He's miles better than fitzy and IMO the second best attacking fullback in the league behind Hodgson, but as I've already said I just don't think his defensive weaknesses can be brushed to one side just because of his attacking ability. Anyway I'm leaving it at that now. See you all Sunday or the same 50 of us that always make the trip to Hull KR anyway!

Quote ="Karlos13"I agree. Seem to remember Patten being pretty solid under kicks earlier in the season. A couple of cocks ups at Wire and at home vs Quins and he is suddenly an awful defensive player? Not for ">me.'" Not quite true though Karl he's made massive errors all season long and could have prevented many of the try's we have conceded, just go through all our games this year starting with Crusaders at MM and count how many 4 pointers should have been prevented by him. Right this sounds like I've got it in for and I've not honest! He's miles better than fitzy and IMO the second best attacking fullback in the league behind Hodgson, but as I've already said I just don't think his defensive weaknesses can be brushed to one side just because of his attacking ability. Anyway I'm leaving it at that now. See you all Sunday or the same 50 of us that always make the trip to Hull KR anyway!