Good post by The Butcher. As a die hard fan myself for over 50 years I am finding it harder and harder to motivate myself to go to the games. I actually had more motivation when we were in the championship league.



While we may never be the best in super league I look at clubs like Castleford for instance who have come on in leaps and bounds over the last couple of season whereas we just havent changed at all. We may be a professional rugby club but I feel we are still being run as an amateur club. I cannot imagine he likes of Wigan, St Helens etc letting all what is going on behind the scenes at our club carry on without dealing with it quickly and finally.



I am not asking for miracles just a well run club with strong leadership so that people will know and understand that this sort of lack of professionalism will not be tolerated both from players coaches and office staff.

Read Moneyball by Michael Lewis. You don't need money to compete, it's about how you approach what you do and get value from the resources you have. Re: Castleford, why do they get bigger gates than us and why are they able to spend more on their playing squad? Castleford has a population of 40k, Salford has a population of 220k.







Because Salford is not a Rugby League Town, simple answer, and i have been watching since 1967, too much apathy within the city, too many people who can not be bothered to do anything and that is the way it will stay. No matter how successful we become 6000 -7000 is possibly the best we will do.

I disagree with that personally Bigpev. Potential for bigger support is there, needs real hard work to turn it around. There are plenty around Irlam and Caddishead who support Wire, why? Because they are succesful(ish) and well marketed.



I dont agree with the "build it and they will come" attitude, as originally mentioned we need a full shake up from top to bottom (i personally am not including JW in that) people in with new ideas.

I do in general mate, yes.



I can't see much difference in where we are now and where we were about 20yrs ago when you (and I) started to follow the club.



The only obvious difference is that now the blame is shared between McRae, Simms, Alker, JAW, et al ..... back then Tarry was the root of all evil.



Maybe your post will mean that he is once again?! Whilst I have nothing against the fella personally, I think you're right about the need for a change at the top.



JAW can't/shouldn't/won't go anywhere, coaches come and go anyway so maybe Tarry needs to be replaced to change our fortunes??

Quote ="Bigpev"Read Moneyball by Michael Lewis. You don't need money to compete, it's about how you approach what you do and get value from the resources you have. Re: Castleford, why do they get bigger gates than us and why are they able to spend more on their playing squad? Castleford has a population of 40k, Salford has a population of 220k. Because Salford is not a Rugby League Town, simple answer, and i have been watching since 1967, too much apathy within the city, too many people who can not be bothered to do anything and that is the way it will stay. No matter how successful we become 6000 -7000 is possibly the best we will ">do.'" The way you talk pev,we mite as well fold up now,I talk to people who always came, but don't now because they think the people running the club,are amateurs,you yourself think Mcrae should not be the coach and so do a lot off other people,yet It looks as If the the board will be having him back so they cannot complain when people keep there hands in there pocket.'s

Quote ="Bigpev"Read Moneyball by Michael Lewis. You don't need money to compete, it's about how you approach what you do and get value from the resources you have. Re: Castleford, why do they get bigger gates than us and why are they able to spend more on their playing squad? Castleford has a population of 40k, Salford has a population of 220k. Because Salford is not a Rugby League Town, simple answer, and i have been watching since 1967, too much apathy within the city, too many people who can not be bothered to do anything and that is the way it will stay. No matter how successful we become 6000 -7000 is possibly the best we will ">do.'" The way you talk pev,we mite as well fold up now,I talk to people who always came, but don't now because they think the people running the club,are amateurs,you yourself think Mcrae should not be the coach and so do a lot off other people,yet It looks as If the the board will be having him back so they cannot complain when people keep there hands in there pocket.'s

Tarry was to blame for everything for years but always avoided the bullets, then somehow once Simms came on board, it has been him or a long list of coaches who take the flak, meanwhile Tarry sits in his Ivory tower wrapped in kevlar, whilst the club itself hasn't really advanced.



Something isn't right, as pointed out a long list of nobodys have appeared in challenge cup finals, and the likes of Hudds (perenial cellar dwellers like ourselves) are now top of the league and handing Leeds their bootys at Headingley.



So is the chief exec a success for Salford ? I think the number of years he's been here together with our achievements, somewhere there you'll find the answer.