Sadly, for most sport, it is far more about money than ambition. Teams with money succeed in every sport - I would happily accept teams you can name, without financial clout, doing as well as you demand? They will only achieve levels of success, that many of us would love in our sphere, with greater finances than their competitors. RL? Bigger crowds means bigger turnover and create greater access to full Salary Cap, meaning better players are interested and this fosters some form of winning mentality. The chance of winning things with poorer (paid) players is limited - we can't seem to afford what better-off clubs can offer? Myler is a great illustration - surely being offered the best pay deal we can offer shows ambition but he shows greater ambition by going where there is more money? Football? Historically it is the same teams with the highest financial turnover who rule the roost. Without the introduction of Chelsea and City's benefactors they were average. I don't really think JW has that sort of muscle and after years of propping the club up I doubt he has much faith left, let alone ambition.

I agree we do seem to have limited ambition but even more limited finances. The thing that depresses me most is that I can't see any way out of this and stated the same on here a couple of months ago. I don't think it is purely a lack of ambition; it is a lack of support and capital.

The most important bit , as I posted on a different thread , beware getting too much involved with the council and ending up like we are at Leigh



Nice shiney stadium ' to play in ' , but of no financial benifit to us



Better off in the pan at the moment than jumping straight into the fire

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Quote ="mmp"i'm embarrassed! stunned to be quite honest. we seem to have a bunch on 'fans' who actually WANT us to be the next Oldham, Swinton, Rochdale and to go bust! or they're from an alternative reality! fact is rugby league has never been that bif in this part of the world. we lost Broughton, Belle View, Swinton is a shadow of its former self ans Salford would have gon ethe same way long ago without the hard work and committment of our Directors...that's the simple truth, the clubs accounts show the clubs finnacial reality and there is no one to come in and invest. they would have done ">already.'" Have a look on our board at the moment , its very similar Worse in fact because we are looking at being relegated to ' the land that time forgot ' icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="Starbug" Worse in fact because we are looking at being relegated to ' the land that time forgot ' icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />'" You can get relegated to Hull now? That's harsh.

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