When? We beat Catalans away this season...

We haven't lose to Catalans away since 2012 so good recent example their. And I don think he even did that, he did like most SL coaches have done pointed out the penalty counts that Catalans get when they play in France.....and he mentioned that in 2013 AFTER we won there, so it wasn't even a bitter-after-we-lost rant.

Like this thread?

Most of McDermott's moans (especially on refereeing) seem to come after wins, to the extent that I'd speculate he makes a point of biting his tongue after loses and saving up his grumbles.

What a load of tosh. On the rare occasions that my team (Wakey) have beaten Leeds, McDermott never criticised the red but praised the opposition. Against other teams as well I can't recall him complaining. He might say that the 50/50's went against them, but will admit that they got some calls as well.



The Great Ape, however, well, what can be said? It'd be interesting to count how many times he's been fined for post match comments, because you'd probably need a calculator.

Nope, this is a message board discussion started by a cas fan.

Discussion? All I can see is dummies being spat everywhere! Good losers you rhinos fans.

Classic case here of you not being intelligent enough to counter debate when your original claim is comfortably picked apart as foolish.

Yep its rhinos fans spitting dummies...







One thing worse than a bad loser... A bad winner

Amazed by the level of outrage over the refs performance.



The obstruction was at least a 50:50 call, sometimes given others not. I'm pretty sure this has happened in lots of games without a 10 page outrage thread. I think the fact that everyone wanted the impressive skill shown by Leeds to be rewarded with a try - tough.



The 'knock on' was easily missed, initially looked like Smiths leg hit the ball. Hardly an outrageous mistake by the ref.



The play before the ref missed a much more blatant leg pull at the play the ball. Not much outrage about that here?



It seems however that Leeds have been the victims on one of the worst referee performance in history!

Certainly no shortage of bitter Whinos on this particular message board discussion.

What intelligent debate was there to counter? You did the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la can't here you". If that counts as comfortably picking my claim apart then it isn't my intelligence that's the issue.

Obstruction = "50/50"

Knock on = "easily missed"



Leg Pull = "blatant"



Nice cherry and white glasses there sir.

Whereas the Leeds perspective is



Obstruction = 100% innocent



Knock on = clear as day



Leg Pull = not worthy of a single mention



No bias from you lot

You can mention the leg pull (wasn't even a pull, he just kept hold) but I've see neutral fans seemingly in the camp of the obstruction being harsh/wrong and the knock on being clearly wrong and them not viewing the leg "pull" as anything other than a 50/50. It's just clutching at straws from Wigan fans that if they highlight the leg "pull" it somehow makes Smith's knock on ok.

2 points, and Leeds fans in a absolute frenzy due to not getting the rub of the green........ Happy days

Pulling the leg of the player as he plays the ball is now 50/50 is it? Lemme guess, penalty when it's done to Leeds, no penalty when it's done by them.





And I've no idea why you think we would need to clutch at straws. [iWe [/ibeat [iyou[/i. We beat you because you made too many mistakes and couldn't score enough points despite having free reign to do so off the back of forward passes. We beat you because you couldn't stop us scoring despite being allowed offside at many a PTB. We beat you because your players mistimed a run and crossed in an otherwise well played try scoring opportunity. And finally, we beat you because Paul Aiton is a twonk. None of those happen and you win. But no, it's all somebody else's fault and none of you are biased.

He didn't pull his leg though did he, he held onto it. Sargison puts the ball on he ground before he's properly regained his feet which he shouldn't do, perhaps if he didn't it might have been a penalty.







I've no idea either but trying to claim Smith's knock on going undetected is some sort of karma instead of just admitting it was wrong strikes me as clutching at straws.







You might have a point (for once) if I was sat here saying it's all Silverwood's fault but I'm not. I am debating the decisions which I'm free to do on a message board on a thread that topic is about the ref decisions, if you want to start another thread on here on the VT about the game without the issue of ref calls then so be and discuss the other issues in the game.....also let me guess you've not discussed ref decisions post match now have you?

The obstruction was obviously debate able , the rules are open to interpretation and could have gone the other way just as easily. That sounds 50:50 to me!



The knock on was easily missed. Commentators and ref and linesmen all missed it in real time. Sounds like easily missed is pretty accurate.



The leg pull was the most clear cut of the lot.



A pretty fair assessment i think regardless of who you support.

Had the correct decision been made we would have been given a penalty before the knock on ever happened. If you don't accept that what Hall did was illegal then you really are taking bias to a whole new level!





We've all discussed ref issues but come on, it's been 11 pages! You lot have lived up to your nickname. As someone said upthread it's as though you've been on the end of the worst refereeing display in history when in fact he got calls wrong for both sides. Had they only gone one way I could understand the outrage, but they didn't. You scored off a forward pass, you pinned us in our 20 and got the ball back off a dodgy offside call, you didn't get penalised for the interference. The offside call was contentious but was 50/50 at worst and only occurred because of an error on the part of Leeds players. And until Aiton tried to cheat it would have been the draw everybody thought was a fair result. He lost you that game.

like calling the ref a bent tw*t you mean?

The reason it's 11 pages, is that Leeds have the most fans so it obviously draws more posters and more comments. If it happened to Huddersfield it'd draw about 4 posters.



That's the difference in thread length.

Phil Clarke called it a knock on against Smith straight away......a decision doesn't get more clear cut than that if Clarke goes against Wigan.



Despite neutrals highlighting the obstruction and the knock on as the big and possibly incorrect ones we get Wigan fans desperately trying to make out the leg "pull" (actually leg hold) as the biggest clear cut incorrect call.

The reason it's 11 pages is due to the sense of entitlement of Whinos fans who appear to think referees should ignore their team's transgressions to ensure the win.

Are you still trying to claim there is some doubt as to whether Hall interfered at that PTB?