You and certain fellow posters don't get it.



You keep pretending that it is about some people having sex. It isn't.



Of course Johns has devastated his wife / kids / family by his sordid behaviour. he admits that.



What you fail to understand, probably because you have never had a senior managerial role in an organisation, is that businesses value their reputations and increasingly have a focus on social responsibility. They are free to choose NOT to employ a person who wants to take part in group sex infront of 12 other people.



However i am sure there are adult channels that dally messenger could list that would welcome Johns as a front man. He could even recreate famous RL gang bangs and entertain the knuckle draggers on here and elsewhere.



It has clearly come as a shock to some of the less evolved RL fans that many organisations and people will not admire, condone or employ gang bangers.

I see the morality police are getting into overtime on this subject!



The problem as I see it is whose morals are correct.



Who has the final say in what is moral or not.



Why is everything associated with sex, always taken as bad, nasty, sordid, etc., etc., yet it probably is the most enjoyable thing that humans beings can do with each other.



We don't know the full story and probaly never will. My life will continue however.

This is way beyond Dally's comprehension - let's face it he thinks you cannot have fun as a married man unless you are are having extra marital sex - that says everything you need to know about him.



If Johns had just had a normal affair he would still probably have his job - the fact he - a married man with children - participated/instigated DP with a group of other players watching brings into question his whole moral compass - is that the behaviour you would expect from a senior member of a reputable organisation - in these circumstance most senior people would be quietly asked to find alternative employment

Like your half backs make 30 tackles a game and Tim Smith is a great half back - you watch eight NRL games a week - play with yourself watching the replays and still come out with this stuff





You are a laughing stock to the whole board - get a life

err whats an effective tackle?

have you busted any married men cheating on their wives lately mate?



johns bonked a girl well before his current emplyoment.



so you condone someone losing his job for something which is legal, was voluntary and well before he was employed with channel 9 ?

I only saw what was said on the documentary, but she concented to go in a room with 2 men, not a full rugby team!

But like I mentioned before, whether it was consensual or not, this sort of behaviour shows a complete lack of respect for women.

You keep prattling on about the married man bit. Only you know why you have such a fixation. This element shows johns had a callous disreguard for the feelings of his wife. So callous that he does it front of 12+ 'co workers' who will meet his wife at club events. Johns knows this is sordid. you cannot figure it out.



As for your last point. Many organisations would terminate the contract of an employee who's behaviour - past or present - is inconsistent with the values of the business and / or bring the organisation into disrepute. You find thisdifficult to comprehend because in your little world gang banging infront of 12 people is mainstream heterosexual activity. Poor little matty and dally - you will have to live with it...tough

Something no half back will ever make 30 times in a gameicon_biggrin.gif

Dally cannot comprehend simple logic - you are wasting your time on an individual who thinks this kind of activity is Ok - sadly for him it will only ever be a fantasy.



One thing is for sure if Matthew Johns had kept his d1ck to himself he would still be presenting the footy show - that is the simple fact - the pity is this simple fact is beyond the comprehension of the Aussie men on this forum. Trying to explain the corporate responsibility is so far over their head as be akin to advance maths to us.





Anyone who has spent time in Sydney know the majority

im sure you keep your di*k to yourself, but not through choice

I wonder what Dick tracy would say about all this .

If you only watched that show then i dont blame you if are totally in favour of the girl and think Johns should have been sacked, etc... However one-sided is all i can think of after watching that interview.

tell andrew johns that . the greatest halfback

and I suppose the women involved in this kind of thing are not showing a complete lack of respect for men!!!!.



Why do the human race have such a problem with SEX!!!!



It's fun, it's great, it's probably one of the best things you can do.



It's a natural thing just like going to the loo and breathing!



Are we going to condemn people for example for " waiting with baited breath!!"



Farting?



drinking?



Eating?



or shall we have a go at all the selfish narrow minded people who insist on dying!!!!



Get a grip on reality people.

on the sunday roast today the boys made a great comment :



they said if matty johns had gone out and intentionally killed someone he wouldve been treated better by the media than he has in the past week



joey looked quite upset on the footy show as well.

Andrew Johns was one of the best tacklers in the game.

He was not even employed by Channel 9 at the time but by the Sharks. So yes, I do think he is being harshly treated for being fired from his job for behaving in a totally legal fashion prior to his present employment.









That is between him and his wife. Not for me, or for you, to decide.

Again though you are confusing your own morals with the legal situation. Johns did nothing illegal. You believe his 'moral compass' is totally skewed because he partook in group sex. This is clearly based on YOUR understanding that sex should not take place in groups, especially not with indivduals who are married.



Clearly the guy was drunk, had some tart throw herself at him, and he decided to take her back to the rugby lads for all to see! Now, this is obviously a little of the weird side (in my opinion). However, it is not illegal. If someone wishes to do this, then fine. Moreover, it is not something to sack someone over.

But since when have employees decided on what they believe is consistent with their 'values' vis-a-vis legal sexual behaviour? If a player was fired for being homosexual, as it was not consistent with the 'values' of the said club. one could only imagine the up roar by the moral police on here!

www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 66,00.html However, the owner of Christchurch's Racecourse Hotel said that while the Cronulla Sharks and Johns were welcome back at the hotel their alleged victim - known only as Clare - was not. Hotel owner John Butterfield said that the Sharks squad who stayed there in 2002 were "a great bunch of guys". He branded their accuser, then a 19-year-old university student who worked at the hotel part time, a liar. "She told a whole bunch of lies," said Mr Butterfield, who is the executive director of his Canterbury Hospitality Group. "It's buggered Matthew Johns' whole life." Mr Butterfield said the woman had crowed to staff about a sexual liaison with two footballers in the men's toilets at the Holy Grail sports bar in the city centre on the Thursday night, the night before the group sex incident.

www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 66,00.html However, the owner of Christchurch's Racecourse Hotel said that while the Cronulla Sharks and Johns were welcome back at the hotel their alleged victim - known only as Clare - was not. Hotel owner John Butterfield said that the Sharks squad who stayed there in 2002 were "a great bunch of guys". He branded their accuser, then a 19-year-old university student who worked at the hotel part time, a liar. "She told a whole bunch of lies," said Mr Butterfield, who is the executive director of his Canterbury Hospitality Group. "It's buggered Matthew Johns' whole life." Mr Butterfield said the woman had crowed to staff about a sexual liaison with two footballers in the men's toilets at the Holy Grail sports bar in the city centre on the Thursday night, the night before the group sex incident.

Wake up! They do it all the time. And rightly so.



For example if a school teacher were found to be taking part in porn films - a legal activity - a scholl would be within its rights to as the teacher to leave.



If Johns and his team mate had been having sex with a teenage boy in front of 12 onlookers he would have been sacked with no greater uproar.(other than that front the macho heterosexual 'lobby').

wow do your posts sound really desperate now the facts are coming out all in favour of johns.



i almost pity you.



almost

What a hillbillly like you thinks is not very relevant.



The desperation on here is yours. Resorting to reporting what Hotel owners say





His hotel, his organisation. He freely decides who he does business with. Fine. Likewise channel 9 have that choice.





Johns does not dispute the central facts. That he he and a mate banged a teenager with 12 or so people stood around watching. He knows that has devastated his wife and will embarrass his children and others. He also knows that is why organisations like Channel 9 choose not to employ him.



The fact that you cannot see it and get increasingly desperate amuses many of us. Keep digging....or.......



Learn to live with it banjo boy.

Did you know that the lass said that Matthew Johns was the only one concerned about her and he walked her out to her car ? Apparently she had sex with two Union players the night before.