Quote ="Homer"I think [I stand to be corrected that the point of GF's poll here is exactly to try to protect all the supporters of all the other clubs.......this isn't about getting SKY et al to change this particular Quins fixture as I suspect it's done and dusted and we have to live with it, but it is to give some indication of the feeling of supporters of other clubs who may now face this issue later this season and the next ones, as another poster has said it was a toe in the water test to see if anybody would raise objections and picking the Quins game was a good tester for ">them.'" Which is exactly the point I raised in the letter to the SL chair/CEO'S, SKY, the RFL, The all party group and a few journos........ FOR THE LAST TIME....... This is to try to protect the finances of every fan IN FUTURE. We at Quins are already bu99ered....... icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />

Quote ="Homer"I think [I stand to be corrected that the point of GF's poll here is exactly to try to protect all the supporters of all the other clubs.......this isn't about getting SKY et al to change this particular Quins fixture as I suspect it's done and dusted and we have to live with it, but it is to give some indication of the feeling of supporters of other clubs who may now face this issue later this season and the next ones, as another poster has said it was a toe in the water test to see if anybody would raise objections and picking the Quins game was a good tester for ">them.'" Which is exactly the point I raised in the letter to the SL chair/CEO'S, SKY, the RFL, The all party group and a few journos........ FOR THE LAST TIME....... This is to try to protect the finances of every fan IN FUTURE. We at Quins are already bu99ered....... icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />

I think the next step is to think about embarrassing Sky Sports next time they visit The Stoop, perhaps some sort of fans protest e.g. banners or placards aimed at Sky in the line of the cameras (perversely the switch of stands this season at Sky’s request would make this easier). Sky Sports really don’t need to pull this kind of stunt, they only do it because they think there will be minimum negative consequences for them, if we as fans challenge that assumption by trying to embarrass them or tarnishing their brand they may at least think about behaving more reasonably.

Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"I think the next step is to think about embarrassing Sky Sports next time they visit The Stoop, perhaps some sort of fans protest e.g. banners or placards aimed at Sky in the line of the cameras (perversely the switch of stands this season at Sky’s request would make this easier). Sky Sports really don’t need to pull this kind of stunt, they only do it because they think there will be minimum negative consequences for them, if we as fans challenge that assumption by trying to embarrass them or tarnishing their brand they may at least think about behaving more ">reasonably.'" Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to recover. Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to pay. Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we complain.

Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"I think the next step is to think about embarrassing Sky Sports next time they visit The Stoop, perhaps some sort of fans protest e.g. banners or placards aimed at Sky in the line of the cameras (perversely the switch of stands this season at Sky’s request would make this easier). Sky Sports really don’t need to pull this kind of stunt, they only do it because they think there will be minimum negative consequences for them, if we as fans challenge that assumption by trying to embarrass them or tarnishing their brand they may at least think about behaving more ">reasonably.'" Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to recover. Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to pay. Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we complain.

Quote ="Andy Gilder"Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to ">recover.'" But they don't listen to fans as you say.... Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we ">complain.'" Quote ="Andy Gilder"Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to ">pay.'" Oh well, that's alright then isn't it! I have lost the will to live with some of the stupid posts on this topic. Tell you what, next year, when you have booked a 1p each way return to France and found a 50 euro a night B&B for 1 night in Perpignan, see how you feel when they bounce you to a Friday night or Sunday evening and you get "greased & shafted" for another £400 to move stuff around. 4 FUX SAKE..............Do you not get this? icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> If the powers that be decide to ignore the inane ramblings of 1 supporter, then so be it, but remember, at least I tried to make a stand!

Quote ="Andy Gilder"Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to ">recover.'" But they don't listen to fans as you say.... Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we ">complain.'" Quote ="Andy Gilder"Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to ">pay.'" Oh well, that's alright then isn't it! I have lost the will to live with some of the stupid posts on this topic. Tell you what, next year, when you have booked a 1p each way return to France and found a 50 euro a night B&B for 1 night in Perpignan, see how you feel when they bounce you to a Friday night or Sunday evening and you get "greased & shafted" for another £400 to move stuff around. 4 FUX SAKE..............Do you not get this? icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" /> If the powers that be decide to ignore the inane ramblings of 1 supporter, then so be it, but remember, at least I tried to make a stand!

Quote ="Andy Gilder"Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to recover. Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to pay. Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we ">complain.'" Oh dear you don't seem to get this do you? Sky Sports is a business, they put money in because it's worth something to them, they're not going to walk away from their investment because fans demand they behave just a little bit more responsibly, that wouldn't make any commercial sense whatsoever. They don't actually need to shaft fans in this way, they do it purely and simply because of the cynical assumption that there are no negative consequences for them, challenging that assumption doesn't require major changes, doesn't require chucking millions of sunk investment down the pan in a hissy fit, all it requires is a little bit more thought about not shafting fans. If they're capable of this kind of calculated cynicism in the first place, they are also capable of not doing it. I think protesting and embarrassing Sky Sports is a sensible way forward, because the modification of behaviour on their part is so slight that they would be cutting off their own noses to spite themselves otherwise.

Quote ="Andy Gilder"Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to recover. Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to pay. Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we ">complain.'" Oh dear you don't seem to get this do you? Sky Sports is a business, they put money in because it's worth something to them, they're not going to walk away from their investment because fans demand they behave just a little bit more responsibly, that wouldn't make any commercial sense whatsoever. They don't actually need to shaft fans in this way, they do it purely and simply because of the cynical assumption that there are no negative consequences for them, challenging that assumption doesn't require major changes, doesn't require chucking millions of sunk investment down the pan in a hissy fit, all it requires is a little bit more thought about not shafting fans. If they're capable of this kind of calculated cynicism in the first place, they are also capable of not doing it. I think protesting and embarrassing Sky Sports is a sensible way forward, because the modification of behaviour on their part is so slight that they would be cutting off their own noses to spite themselves otherwise.

Quote ="Andy Gilder"Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to recover. Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to pay. Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we ">complain.'" Scokpuppeting at its best/worst...

Quote ="Andy Gilder"Or make them think, "fook that, we don't need the hassle" and leave RL in this country in a deep financial sh*-hole from which it would find it very difficult to recover. Still, if it helps a few dozen Quins fans make a point it's a small price to pay. Fans are at the bottom of the pecking order in professional sport, that ain't going to change no matter how much we ">complain.'" Scokpuppeting at its best/worst...

stay away from the sherry before 5pm BG

[url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/26/wikipedia_westminster_councillor/sockpuppeting......[/url

Quote ="gutterfax"HAVE I MISSED ANYONE OUT? If so, please PM me their details by 4pm... Paul Blanchard - General Manager- Harlequins RL Craig Spence - Communications Manager - The RFL Richard Lewis - Executive Chairman The RFL Nigel Wood - Chief Executive - The RFL Stevo & Eddie - Boots'n'All - SKY Neville Smith - Executive Producer SKY Kath Hetherington Chairperson - Hull FC James Rule - Chief Executive - Hull FC Neil Hudgell - Chairman - Hull KR Gary Hetherington - Chief Executive - Leeds Rhinos Peter Hood - Chief Executive - Bradford Bulls Mike Turner - Chief Executive -Celtic Crusaders Richard Wright - Chief Executive - Castleford Tigers Ken Davy - Chairman -Huddersfield Giants Eamonn McManus - Chief Executive -St Helens Ted Richardson - Chairman - Wakefield Trinity Wildcats David Tarry - Chief Executive - Salford City Reds Ian Lenegan - Chief Executive - Wigan Warriors Andy Gatcliffe - Chief Executive - Warrington Wolves Martyn Sadler - Chief Executive - League Publications Lorraine Marsden - Reporter - League Publications Chris Irvine - Reporter - Times Ian Ramsdale - Reporter - BBC Andy Wilson - Reporter - Guardian'" Whilst appreciating Catalans themselves are not responsible for the change surely its worth bringing it to their attention also, c.levy@catalansdragons.com can't help with the translation to French I'm afraid icon_cry.gif" alt="icon_cry.gif" title="Crying or Very sad" /> . Aside from the loss of gate revenue from a reduced travelling support I would have thought they would be reasonably keen to keep local business, who must make a tidy sum from visiting fans, onside for sponsership purposes if nothing else.

Quote ="gutterfax"HAVE I MISSED ANYONE OUT? If so, please PM me their details by 4pm... Paul Blanchard - General Manager- Harlequins RL Craig Spence - Communications Manager - The RFL Richard Lewis - Executive Chairman The RFL Nigel Wood - Chief Executive - The RFL Stevo & Eddie - Boots'n'All - SKY Neville Smith - Executive Producer SKY Kath Hetherington Chairperson - Hull FC James Rule - Chief Executive - Hull FC Neil Hudgell - Chairman - Hull KR Gary Hetherington - Chief Executive - Leeds Rhinos Peter Hood - Chief Executive - Bradford Bulls Mike Turner - Chief Executive -Celtic Crusaders Richard Wright - Chief Executive - Castleford Tigers Ken Davy - Chairman -Huddersfield Giants Eamonn McManus - Chief Executive -St Helens Ted Richardson - Chairman - Wakefield Trinity Wildcats David Tarry - Chief Executive - Salford City Reds Ian Lenegan - Chief Executive - Wigan Warriors Andy Gatcliffe - Chief Executive - Warrington Wolves Martyn Sadler - Chief Executive - League Publications Lorraine Marsden - Reporter - League Publications Chris Irvine - Reporter - Times Ian Ramsdale - Reporter - BBC Andy Wilson - Reporter - Guardian'" Whilst appreciating Catalans themselves are not responsible for the change surely its worth bringing it to their attention also, c.levy@catalansdragons.com can't help with the translation to French I'm afraid icon_cry.gif" alt="icon_cry.gif" title="Crying or Very sad" /> . Aside from the loss of gate revenue from a reduced travelling support I would have thought they would be reasonably keen to keep local business, who must make a tidy sum from visiting fans, onside for sponsership purposes if nothing else.

I think it is a terrible and I know how Quins fans feel. As a Saints season ticket from Northern Ireland over the years I have lost quite a bit of money on lost air fares due to games being moved.



Fair enough my flights average out at around £40 as I have the choice of 3 airlines from 2 airports in Belfast to either Liverpool or Manchester but it does all add up.



I usually book my flights to the home games when the fixtures come out in November to get the cheapest flights. But this year I decided to just book as as far as the end of the first batch of sky fixtures (end of May).



The problem with this is I can only really book 4 weeks in advance for fixtures beyond May which can mean higher fares.

Quote ="rugbyreddog"Whilst I feel sorry for the Quins earlier this season they bumped an arranged visit of Bradford in order to play the Aussies in a friendly. The words Pot and Kettle soring to ">mind.'" You've missed the point!

Quote ="rugbyreddog"Whilst I feel sorry for the Quins earlier this season they bumped an arranged visit of Bradford in order to play the Aussies in a friendly. The words Pot and Kettle soring to ">mind.'" You've missed the point!

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/super_league/london/8084035.stmQuins powerless over game switch[/url

Quote ="Catalancs"[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/super_league/london/8084035.stmQuins powerless over game switch[/url'" Regardless of the who told whom first and what their reply was as another debate, Mr Spence really doesn't come across as an awfully bright chap does he. Quote RFL spokesman Craig Spence says that Sky have not broken the terms of their contract. "Sky Sports has the right, under its contract with the RFL, to choose any game it wants to broadcast on TV," he said. "The contract states it must give four weeks' notice to the RFL and the clubs on which fixtures it wants to broadcast. "In this case it has given six weeks. Unfortunately, it has caused a bit of inconvenience with the supporters and we apologise for that." Spence also made it clear that there is little room for manoeuvre once Sky have given notice that they want to screen a game. "We'd have to give Sky Sports a very legitimate reason why this game couldn't be changed," he said. "At six weeks' notice, people can change flights. They can change their hotel bookings. "I appreciate that there is a cost involved in that and we apologise for the inconvenience but, at the end of the day, they've given us the notice. "You could say that Harlequins are a victim of their own success because Sky Sports believe the fixture against the Catalan Dragons will be a great spectacle for TV." '" Quins / Success, not normally two words strung together icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="Catalancs"[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/super_league/london/8084035.stmQuins powerless over game switch[/url'" Regardless of the who told whom first and what their reply was as another debate, Mr Spence really doesn't come across as an awfully bright chap does he. Quote RFL spokesman Craig Spence says that Sky have not broken the terms of their contract. "Sky Sports has the right, under its contract with the RFL, to choose any game it wants to broadcast on TV," he said. "The contract states it must give four weeks' notice to the RFL and the clubs on which fixtures it wants to broadcast. "In this case it has given six weeks. Unfortunately, it has caused a bit of inconvenience with the supporters and we apologise for that." Spence also made it clear that there is little room for manoeuvre once Sky have given notice that they want to screen a game. "We'd have to give Sky Sports a very legitimate reason why this game couldn't be changed," he said. "At six weeks' notice, people can change flights. They can change their hotel bookings. "I appreciate that there is a cost involved in that and we apologise for the inconvenience but, at the end of the day, they've given us the notice. "You could say that Harlequins are a victim of their own success because Sky Sports believe the fixture against the Catalan Dragons will be a great spectacle for TV." '" Quins / Success, not normally two words strung together icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Pretty pish poor excuse icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />

Pretty pish poor excuse icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />

....both of their away fans.

Quote ="spegs"....both of their away ">fans.'" 7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?

Quote ="spegs"....both of their away ">fans.'" 7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?

Quote ="Homer"7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?'" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" /> Quality

Quote ="Homer"7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?'" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" /> Quality

Quote ="Homer"7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="Homer"7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

forgot his log on password (it's his name)

Quote ="Homer"7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Brilliant... Anyway I feel for Quins fans, we booked our trip to Toulouse a few months ago and have prayed that our game doesn't get shifted to a thursday (not likely in our league tho)..

Quote ="Homer"7 pages and it took you this long to come up with that gem, what's the matter could you not get the crayon out of your nose any faster?'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Brilliant... Anyway I feel for Quins fans, we booked our trip to Toulouse a few months ago and have prayed that our game doesn't get shifted to a thursday (not likely in our league tho)..

Quote ="urbancarrot"icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Brilliant... Anyway I feel for Quins fans, we booked our trip to Toulouse a few months ago and have prayed that our game doesn't get shifted to a thursday (not likely in our league tho)..'" Ultimate kiss of death icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Our kick off time got shifted forward in Toulouse so, although it didn't cause a problem for me, it didn't make the margins of error that much tighter for those flying out on the day of the game etc.

Quote ="urbancarrot"icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Brilliant... Anyway I feel for Quins fans, we booked our trip to Toulouse a few months ago and have prayed that our game doesn't get shifted to a thursday (not likely in our league tho)..'" Ultimate kiss of death icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Our kick off time got shifted forward in Toulouse so, although it didn't cause a problem for me, it didn't make the margins of error that much tighter for those flying out on the day of the game etc.