Can I suggest that BB and Mrs B retire to PM? I'm an accountant myself, yet with this war of attrition I lost the will to live about two pages back...

I'm doing A-level maths (which includes a module on statistics), but reading the last few pages of this thread is making me want to tear my fingernails out.

Fair enough.



Whilst it is good news that fewer clubs are making losses and the average loss (whichever way you calculate it

) appears to be reducing, you do have to wonder whether it's coincidence that this has happened when these are the last accounts to be filed before the next set of franchises are decided.

Which is why I was talking about OCF and not Net Cashflow as you wouldn't know the financing activities or capital expenditure. In my experience OCF is a pretty good indicator of a business' normal everyday performance.

All I'm getting from this is that you can make figures show whatever you want - which as a retired Royal Mail statisticain I knew already!

Quite easily. The owner could put in a few million as share capital. No debt but losses are covered.

No.

Normally 2 amd 3 follow from 1.

Ssssh - keeps some of us in a job.

Whatever our differences, we are both cynics.

i'm a plasterer i dont care!!!!

Does anyone think that chris joint should have been penalised for a voluntary tackle at the grand final.

No, because he never played in a Grand Final.

Im sorry Dally but Mrs An-Count B has bored me into a stupier so i thought i'd talk about rugby league.

its all the drivel we get used to

Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Seems like 2009 was a marginally better year financially for some clubs. In 2008, the only club (I think) to make a profit was Hull FC. The league table of profit/loss for 2009 is as follows (assuming I've got the right entities) and shows 4 clubs in profit and a further 3 with a loss < £100k (although I'm being a bit generous with Wigan and using their pre impairment/depreciation/interest number). Leeds profit is before a hefty exceptional income of £3m from a transaction with Yorkshire CC. The average loss excluding Harlequins, which IMO distorts the underlying picture, is -£103,630. Leeds 720,871 Warrington 159,514 Hull FC 77,141 Castleford 26,679 Salford -19,651 Wigan -40,715 Bradford -72,209 Wakefield -202,379 Huddersfield -823,739 St Helens -861,810 Harlequins -1,936,804 Average excluding Harlequins -103,630 This excludes clubs whose accounts are overdue, ie Hull KR and Crusaders.'" www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... ticle.html

Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Seems like 2009 was a marginally better year financially for some clubs. In 2008, the only club (I think) to make a profit was Hull FC. The league table of profit/loss for 2009 is as follows (assuming I've got the right entities) and shows 4 clubs in profit and a further 3 with a loss < £100k (although I'm being a bit generous with Wigan and using their pre impairment/depreciation/interest number). Leeds profit is before a hefty exceptional income of £3m from a transaction with Yorkshire CC. The average loss excluding Harlequins, which IMO distorts the underlying picture, is -£103,630. Leeds 720,871 Warrington 159,514 Hull FC 77,141 Castleford 26,679 Salford -19,651 Wigan -40,715 Bradford -72,209 Wakefield -202,379 Huddersfield -823,739 St Helens -861,810 Harlequins -1,936,804 Average excluding Harlequins -103,630 This excludes clubs whose accounts are overdue, ie Hull KR and Crusaders.'" www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... ticle.html

Chris Joynt never played in a Grand Final?

Ask tb (if you want to be banned

).

I presumed Luke was referring to the JVT thread of legend.



What's Dally on about tb?

I have no idea. But then, I seldom do with him.





(apart from being a sub-tb pedant and pointing out that 'chris joint' has never played in a grand final because there's no such player)

And even if he did, he definately wouldnt have been tackled...

He tripped.

Strange how when you mentioned what you do for a living Mrs B suddenly backs off.

.....I can see where this thread is going