You are the stereotypical muppet flatcapper and I claim my £5!







Translation: "Why can't it be like the good old days when we only had to play the teams next door"?

Find it Strange that our club could cease to exist because it owes debts that an average football league player earns in a week.

£80k does seem a small ammount to put a club into administration, unless the main issue is cashflow i.e. the club simply can't pay its staff, players etc and thus can't continue operating?

ya miserable get!

Thanks. this isn't the place mind.

That does sound like something the clubs should do for themselves. If they don't then it ends up with all the clubs effectively being run by the RFL, b ut with a bit of leeway on some decisions.

RL was born from clubs looking to be profit making and moving away from centralised control of the RFU, you are now suggesting they should relinquish their rights/responsibilities and let the RFL take charge of them.

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That might have been true at one time but there are very few clubs if any making a profit in todays climate.

Was it?

Do the RFL actually possess that expertise though? The RFL it seems to me is an administrative body with precious little experience of turning a Pound in a fiercely competitive environment.







I think you've just summed up the RFL's expansion strategy in its entirety!









Collaboration my friend, it's the future! It should be entirely feasible for the clubs, which after all are very well aware of the real problems they face, to work together in order to solve them.



A forum for knowledge exchange would cost nothing and yet immediately allow benchmarking of all the various activities clubs perform. Identifying the "best in class" and allowing every club to understand how to perform better and at lower cost.



Geographically adjacent clubs may consider pooling resources, external contracts could be negotiated by the league as opposed to individually by each club. That could result in lower unit prices and far fewer resources (and hence overall cost) involved in the negotiation itself.



What this requires is for the clubs to understand that in helping to make other clubs stronger they are in fact improving the health of the game and utimately the health of every club in it.

What so you'd rather Doncaster live in a fantasy world where they go into administration every other year chasing Super League in the Championship than be a viable Championship 1 side?

The people running the club in the past may well have lived in a fantasy world but it's the true loyal fans who end up feeling the pain when the club goes belly-up.

It was a major part of it, rugby was very popular in the north, generating big gate receipts for the top clubs. Broken time payments meant better players, better teams and ultimately bigger gate receipts. Of course some people prefer less prosaic, more mythical explanations.

For example?

I've seen at least one version that leads heavily with a crude kind of class war narrative (northern industrial proletariat vs southern bourgeoisie), now there were clear class based elements to it (I don’t think anybody doubts that), but they shouldn’t be overplayed in relation to the underlying commercial interests of the clubs who broke away.

I thought their motivation was the desire to offer fair compensation to their players for the time off work that was required by playing in Saturday matches.

The breakaway was caused by the northern clubs desire to pay players which was outlawed at the time in Rugby Union.

Not sure profits were at the forefront of their minds.

True but I got called negative for saying Doncaster should have to focus on Championship 1 (actually somewhat stronger words than that) but if Doncaster want stability it will be in Championship 1 and I'm sure people would prefer a stable club midtable in Championship 1 than a yo-yo club with financial problems (which of course gets to the question of why if P & R is so damaging it is retained at that end of the Championship

I agree with your understanding of what broken time payments were for, but you need to ask why a club itself would want to pay broken time money in order to get certain players to play for them? Paying broken time payments was a not an act of charity, it was a commercial decision for the benefit of the clubs who paid them.

nice try, but old bait

Apparently in Yorkshire the County RFU turned a blind eye to broken time payments and allowed the Yorkshire Senior League (yes there were RU leagues then) a say in running itself. However, the 12 clubs in it turned it into a closed shop and when in the 1894-95 season the clubs re-elected Wakefield Trinity and Hull over second tier champions Morley and runners-up Castleford yet again excluding the second tier clubs the RFU wanted to take the league over themselves and thus 11 of the 12 clubs (with the exception of Dewsbury) decided to plan to break away.



In Lancashire the (3 tier) league was run directly by the County RFU with test matches for promotion and relegation (bottom to play top and 2nd bottom to play 2nd) and thus this issue didn't arise. However, they were stricter on broken time payments and after Salford, Wigan and Leigh got expelled from the league for broken time payments 9 clubs decided to join the Yorkshire clubs in breaking away (ironically Salford weren't one of them) and the two Cheshire clubs of Runcorn and Stockport switched as well, possibly to play at a higher standard than they could in Cheshire but not certain.



Initially there were no plans to have lower divisions as it was assumed eventually the NRU would rejoin the RFU, although some expansion to allow separate Lancashire and Yorkshire leagues did occur in 1896. However, second level clubs, especially in Lancashire, who relied on big matches against the clubs that had broken away started to switch even though it initially meant just friendlies and Challenge Cup. While it took longer for Yorkshire clubs to switch en masse due to them not having been treated well by bigger clubs, the Lancashire clubs largely switched in 1897 and professional second and third competitions were formed (although the third one only lasted a season), and the RU leagues were scrapped. In 1898 a professional Yorkshire Second Competition was formed but this was as a continued RU league in Yorkshire (no idea when it eventually was scrapped).



There's a lot more information than this about the time though in Mike Latham's book The Rugby League Myth: Forgotten clubs of Lancashire, Cheshire and Furness

True , bad manners on my part





Serious issues being discussed , apologies

I find it somewhat ironic that you a supporter of a club with similar problems to the clubs in the championship makes light of discussion to try to rectify those problems



Maybe you also are following the RFLs idea's for growth and that is why your attendances are , lets say , in need of improvement

Then you obviously misunderstand the concept of irony as much as you misunderstand the problems that Quins RL face.



I don't buy into the whole faux-concerned obsession about attendances, because 1) it's strictly for cretins, 2) I think it's more important to focus on the overall management and stability of the club rather than just the one issue elevated well above it's status by cretins too stupid to see anything other than the most superficial observation.

The reason we the fans of clubs struggling outside SL seem obsessed with attendances is because they are and always will be our main source of income and therefore survival



If your club because it is based in London can continue to attract individual investors to provide the finances to pay its way then good for you



Unfortunatley that type of investor is becoming harder if not completely impossible to attract at the level we now find ourselves



This thread was about Doncaster and peoples hopes for its survival as a club , it will only survive ,continue and hopefully prosper if it can attract more 'paying on the gate ' fans



What they dont need is another ' local boy made good ' walking in telling everybody they should be in SL and they are going to get them there

The funny thing is you really believe it happened