'Ended up'.



She ended up there out of her own free will.

Okay lets take your view that people have different moral standards.



So Johns did ,and some on here do, think banging a woman in front of 12 onlookers is acceptable.



The TV and Storm bosses have their standards. They do not find it acceptable behaviour for their staff. So they do not employ Johns any more.



There are industries where gang bangs are mainstream. Johns can earn a good living there and several posters on here can watch to their hearts content.



See everyone is happy

lets not beat about the bush most men married or not would have done the same if there was in his shoes the fact is some men will admit it some will just dream about it

One of co-presenters Andrew Voss - also said that this kind of behaviour is acceptable to the vast majority of the population himself included.



You are entitled to your view - sadly his employers felt like most people that Johns' position was untenable - you cannot have the presenter of a sports programme aimed at a family audience behaving in this way and keep an semblence of credibility



What I also not understanding is if this is such normal behaviour how come none of the others involved have come out and admitted their involvement

Not sure where I have stated that it is "normal".



His employees have the right to fire him if they believed his behaviour harmed their shows. But what has happened here is that Channel 9 have taken a 'moral stand' about someone's sexual habits and given into the thought police.

I agree with what was said on the footy show, Johns is taking the fall for basically all the recent off field incidents in recent years. Will things change?



It ups to players now to say i dont ever want something like this coming back and biting me on the ass. Whether they feel they are in the right or not, the media will pick on anything like this they hear players are involved in.

You were saying that sex is a spectator sport - very few people would consider this kind of behaviour acceptable - only you and Dally think it is OK to have three way sex with 12 guys watching - as I said before unreal.



What is more unreal is that you actually think he could continue on the footy show as if nothing had happened with a audience half full of women - let's face the way he treated his wife show his morals to be pretty dispicable and shows him in his true light - or maybe you think women should see this as an occupational hazard of being married!!!!

I did not state it was 'acceptable'. I merely stated that it was your opinion that it was unacceptable. Please show where I stated it was acceptable. You inferred that from my comment-I did not state it.







I personally am not going to be passing moral judgement on anyone else's sexual behaviour. What makes me qualified to pass such judgment?



Second, if JOhns wishes to engage in group sex, then so be it. Nothing to do with me. What consenting adults do in their own bedrooms is up to them. His wife has the final decision vis-a-vis whether she deems John's infidelity as something she can forgive.

I have no problems with Johns doing exactly what he wants - what I cannot accept is all this - "he is being treated unfairly rubbish" - Johns knew exactly what he was getting in to and the potential reprocussions on his career if it came out - he simply got his cummupence



If you don't think their relationship is damaged beyond repair then you are nieve - if your wife - if you have one - did this to you would you just shrug your shoulders and go ok no probs - I doubt it.

scary situation?



she allowed them into the room.



you are right, the numbers are so high its probably hard for her to remember

as night follows day, you cant say anything about the NRL without looking silly.



you have been amusing the past couple of months

where did you hear that, ive not heard it.

Unlike you who is shown up on every thread he posts on - including this one - you are joke the more you post the more of an idiot you look - let's face it unless you are having extra marital sex there is no fun to be had - sad b@stard.

Just about sums you up - clueless with a grin

your nrl comments have been making my friends laugh for weeks.



you remember, nathan hindmarsh is a poor tackler, stacey jones is too old for the nrl etc

No he didnt, what ever happened has nothing to do with his job, especially when he wasnt even employed by them when the incident took place. It wasnt illegal, however it was unacceptable behaviour, but that doesnt mean you deserve to lose your job. I think some of you guys need to go out in the city at the weekend, and see the amount of girls throughing themselves at NRL players. Its got nothing to do with League, many guys in that situation would take advantage. None of those would lose there jobs...

He lost his job because of the media storm and show last week. If it hadnt of got out in that way, nothing would of changed even if channel 9 had known about it. Yes he lost his job becuase of the negative publicity which is unfair... When the other names come out, do you think they will lose there jobs??? No, because they are not high profile anymore.

well said.



people on here bagging johns will never have women throwing themselves at them so theyll never know what it feels like

The simplistic dialogue going on around this issue shows the limited intelligence of the vast majority.



A societal issue - the treatment of women - has been dumped at rugby league's doorstep.



Apparently, rugby league is responsible.



Fuck me dead...how long have you got for me to pick the holes in that one???

You and certain fellow posters don't get it.



You keep pretending that it is about some people having sex. It isn't.



Of course Johns has devastated his wife / kids / family by his sordid behaviour. he admits that.



What you fail to understand, probably because you have never had a senior managerial role in an organisation, is that businesses value their reputations and increasingly have a focus on social responsibility. They are free to choose NOT to employ a person who wants to take part in group sex infront of 12 other people.



However i am sure there are adult channels that dally messenger could list that would welcome Johns as a front man. He could even recreate famous RL gang bangs and entertain the knuckle draggers on here and elsewhere.



It has clearly come as a shock to some of the less evolved RL fans that many organisations and people will not admire, condone or employ gang bangers.

I see the morality police are getting into overtime on this subject!



The problem as I see it is whose morals are correct.



Who has the final say in what is moral or not.



Why is everything associated with sex, always taken as bad, nasty, sordid, etc., etc., yet it probably is the most enjoyable thing that humans beings can do with each other.



We don't know the full story and probaly never will. My life will continue however.

This is way beyond Dally's comprehension - let's face it he thinks you cannot have fun as a married man unless you are are having extra marital sex - that says everything you need to know about him.



If Johns had just had a normal affair he would still probably have his job - the fact he - a married man with children - participated/instigated DP with a group of other players watching brings into question his whole moral compass - is that the behaviour you would expect from a senior member of a reputable organisation - in these circumstance most senior people would be quietly asked to find alternative employment

Like your half backs make 30 tackles a game and Tim Smith is a great half back - you watch eight NRL games a week - play with yourself watching the replays and still come out with this stuff





You are a laughing stock to the whole board - get a life

err whats an effective tackle?