Im sure alot of people will disagree with you on that, and no doubt had it been the other way round you would be adamant it wasnt a try....

No they didn't. Watts didn't play the ball properly in the run up to his try. He put the ball down on the ground and just stepped over it - didn't make no attempt.

As for the grounding, it was contentious. Had he did what he did in the field of play it would have been a knock-on and I'm of the opinion it should be the same over the whitewash too.

Watts didn't play the ball for Murrells try in the first half but don't let the facts spoil your rant.

He placed downward pressure on the ball over the tryline before it hit the ground so it's a try

I wouldn't because it was a try, he lost it but it never hit the floor before he grounded it so it has to be a try

I found that









I backed Saints last night but no way was that a try.

"Hey lads I think i have a bite!!!!"

I knew that would work. I thought that a Leeds fan would take me up on my offer rather than a pie. I usually don't troll but it was 2am and I could believe what I was reading. 5 pages on an incorrect video ref desision, WTF, It happens every week!!!! The quality of the refereeing isn't great in this country but the video refereeing (an easier job) is even worse. We have had video referees for almost 14 years now and there is still not an outline as to what they have to check.

Video refereeing in its current format doesn't work. It needs to be re-evaluated or scrapped.

Cummings would very unhappy about having to get rid of the video ref. He would miss his la weekends in France.

you cant even troll good, pathetic attempt. You just sounded like a bitter Saints fan, who doesnt know the rules.

Blind bias at its best



Downward pressure? he didn't even touch the ball until it hit the ground ergo knock on, learn the rules.

As you say, don't let facts spoil your rant

It was a shocking decision and the video refs should have to take some responsibilty when they make calls as bad as this. Bill Harrigan was dropped in the NRL for his shocker the other week. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezJJ3pu9VQ The RFL need to do more!!

It was a shocking decision and the video refs should have to take some responsibilty when they make calls as bad as this. Bill Harrigan was dropped in the NRL for his shocker the other week. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezJJ3pu9VQ The RFL need to do more!!

Dreadful decision from a poor referee. Smith seems to specialise in poor decisions, whilst Thaler seems to specialise in wanting to be controversial.

So it hit the ground before he touched it did it?

Errrr no it didn't

Yes it did, the ball hit the ground and a split second later Watts gets a finger nail on the ball, it's a knock on you're just the single most biassed idiot there is, if it isn't telling fans not to bother going to your dump if they want to stand up it's thinking a clear knock on by one of your players is a try. It really is pointless even trying to use logic with you because you don't have the mental capacity (or just plain refuse to want to believe) facts.

You are wrong, he got his hand to it before it hit the floor which is why it wasn't a knock on. Go and watch it again

I just did, the ball bounced as his hand touched the ball, so a knock on.

Quote ="Gaslight"I just did, the ball bounced as his hand touched the ball, so a knock on.'" blind as well as stupid www.hullkr.tv/?v=40 Watch it, his hand is clearly on the ball before it's anywhere near the ground. The video referee gave the right decision and luckily it's going to be the decision that costs you a play off place

Quote ="Gaslight"I just did, the ball bounced as his hand touched the ball, so a knock on.'" blind as well as stupid www.hullkr.tv/?v=40 Watch it, his hand is clearly on the ball before it's anywhere near the ground. The video referee gave the right decision and luckily it's going to be the decision that costs you a play off place

Bill Harragan got stood down for his video howler in the St G vs Manly game last week, but I doubt we'd ever see that happen in the UK. I remember when Cummins used to do a column in which he'd argue black was white in the defence of referee mistakes, can't say it inspires confidence.

I am happy admitting it wasn't a try if Ian Smith gets dropped.

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, perhaps Smith is mindful of what happened to him last time he upset Saints with a refereeing performance?

It's the only possible explanation for not realising that a) Roby initially grounded the ball short and b) the tackle was therefore completed at that point and any subsequent loss of control is a knock-on, scrum to Crusaders.

I'm not prepared to concede that he simply doesn't understand the laws of the game or that he saw a completely different replay to anyone else, so it has to be a concious decision to find a reason to award the try.

I know I only managed to upset one simple pie-eater. I will have to work on it.



I know the rules mate. It works like this...

The video ref pressed the green button so therefore its a try.





See that wasn't too hard.

But, there could have been no argument from anyone if that try had nnot have been given.

No one I know expected the word "TRY" to come up on the screen after watching the replays.

Your point would be valid if it was a 50/50 decision and it was turned down.

Difference is Bill Harrigan stood himself down. Can you see Smith walking in and saying... I think you should drop me? I think not.

He must have forgot about that when he disallowed Emmitts try.

What he said. Also, it appears to be the first VR abomination that has been pretty much universally agreed as being utter gash. Certainly that i can remember. If a man can give THAT as a try, then he should be permanently relieved of VR duties on the ground of incompetence.

What did Eddie say? That they had received a shout about "the ball never lost contact with the arm"? Hard to do, but if that really was the attempt at justification then it makes it even worse.

I've been saying for years that we simply do not have VRs who are competent to do the job, and on that basis there is no point to it, and unless and until we give the VR job to someone who can actually see what is happening on a 2D screen correctly, the string of unbelievable cockups is certain to continue. Although we may not better that one for "VR Cockup Of The Decade".

On second thoughts, over the years it does sadly have plenty of stiff competition.

This is where Ian Smith has decided to use the "2 wrongs make a right" card. Emmitts try looked OK and he must have realised that after the "no try button" so he,s just evened it up with Roby's "no try" is a try.

Noticed this is creeping into the game a bit more with referees, they make a few "howlers" in a match then find a way of rewarding a penalty or a try in compensation.

But to do it in a televised game is suicidal in Ian Smiths case.