Legally, Noble probably has a contract where his job is 'Head Coach'. By making someone else 'Head Coach' Salford/Mar have essentially 'replaced' Noble.....the offer of a different position/promotion is neither here nor there, because if Noble walks, he could quite easily claim constructive dismissal and demand payment for the remainder of his contract.

It's not quite as straight forward as that though. Since Noble only joined Salford in 2013 he wouldn't be able to take Salford to an employment tribunal as he's not been there for 2 years.

He also, if he wants compensation, has to follow certain procedures as Koukash could put forward that it's merely a company reorganisation, as the position of Director of Rugby has been newly created. Many people have to deal with company reorganisations and changes of role etc without being entitled to walk away with compensation for constructive dismissal.



Noble has to make sure he does things the right way to get his compensation, he can't just walk and sit at home demanding money.



Our oh so wonderful Tory friends in Downing Street have significantly eroded employee rights sadly.

Or they've re-balanced the system so that it's no longer egregiously weighted towards the employee? The 2 year rule and the requirement to lodge a fee for an ET are very positive moves in my view. I think these are Vince Cable initiatives by the way, so not strictly Tory.



In this instance, I imagine that they're thrashing out the terms of a compromise agreement; the delays will be because Noble has the right to take legal advice, at Salford's expense, before he agrees to a mutual parting of ways.

Is he entitled to compensation, though? It can't be a redundancy because the role of Head Coach still exists. I don't [ithink[/i it can be construed as constructive dismissal because he's been offered another role, one which could be seen as some form of promotion.



I wonder if he's biding his time to see if another coaching opportunity presents itself. At an unnamed, struggling Super League club with an inexperienced coach somewhere in West Yorkshire, for example.

Obviously we're all guessing to some degree and I'm no expert on employment law but I would imagine that Noble would be entitled to some compensation but I suppose it would depend on the terms of his "old" contract and the terms of the contract of the new role he's been offered.



I was meaning really that IF he wants some compensation (ie doesn't want the Director of Rugby role) he can't just walk away. He has to at least go through the motions in talking to Salford/trying to resolve the situation etc first.

It wasn't egregiously weighted towards the employee. Just because some employees abused the system didn't mean it was unfair on employers per se. And it certainly didn't need changing to the degree it has been where employees can now be laid off with no redundancy money just because they've not been working there long enough.



The further erosion of employees rights is not a step forward in a society that is being run more and more by businesses & markets and for profit.

I think it was - and the fact that it was meant that it was easily abused.



As for the laying off without redundancy money - which change to employment law has enabled that to happen? I'm not aware of a change that allows an employer to make someone redundant but not pay them anything; if you mean the two year rule that now applies to most dismissals (apart from discrimination or whistleblowing iirc?) then that person wasn't entitled to any money in the first place, besides their final salary payment.



Back to Noble; if he does choose to leave rather than take up the new job, I don't expect this is to do with how much compensation he is entitled to as per the terms of his contract; it's probably to do with how much it will cost the Dr for him to walk away in full and final settlement. In these circumstances, most people have a price - but it's not always straightforward to arrive at it, as both sides will have professional advice to consider.



If he gets bored in the meantime, he could always come to BV to teach the Wakefield players how to tackle.

Surely Noble's contract will contain the various aspects of his employment with Salford and IF the contract is breached by either party then a claim could be made by the other party.

Contracts are written up to protect both sides.



Unless it is written within his contract, that he could be offered a "similar" role within the organisation, hen it is likely that Salford have breached the conditions, but only Dr K and Noble will know this.

Equally, Dr K may well gamble on Mr Noble not wanting to risk serious money to take Dr K to court.

Harris @ Crusaders was stymied. The players were not being paid. You may well be aware of how mercenary RL players behave when no money is seen. Even Tim Sheens and his assistant Mal Meninga would not have been able to coax a win. Cant blame Harris for that.



When with Wales he based his side on Amateurs and not Australians whose Great Grandfather may have been incarcerated in Cardiff Prison before being transported to the Colonies. Cant blame Harris for that.



He has now completed his Wigan tenure and from all accounts contributed hugely to their efforts.



I rest my case for the defence m`lud and will reconsider in 18 months time.

18 weeks if he's lucky........

Are you happy to wager £25 - proceeds to Children in Need ?



I say Harris will be in charge of the Red Devils at the start of their last SL game this season.



Are you happy to oppose and put your money where your mouth is?

Nope......because when the good dr starts looking around again in 10 weeks or so, nobody will want the job. I like Mar but he needs to be patient!

Well done EB. Another troll outed!!!

How so?



It was an insane bet based in an opinion of Mar that is held by many RL fans. He's knee jerked nobby and it's perfectly acceptable to believe that if in another 8 games they are still struggling he'll look again......and if he does, he'll have a hard time convincing anyone that he's not trigger happy

I will. To the RFL Benevolent Fund. You're on.

Happy to accept Slugger.



Always knew Gutterfax had absolutely no substance. All bluster. Probably never put a penny into RL. Maybe others will now see that `Empty vessels make most sounds`.

Alas........making inane and insane bets is no proof of support for the game. I have on the other hand cycled to Leeds fro London and raised funds for an injured player.......does that count?

You so called troll hunters are a good giggle though....keep up the good work chaps

EB's bet was that Harris would still be in charge at the end of the year and said he wouldn't be. Once again you proved to everyone that you don't have the balls to back up your stupid statements.

Agree Hessle Roader - an Attention Seeker - Nap!

Gotta love these in-thread love-ins



I actually said "18 weeks" is what I'd give Harris. This was based on the previous coaches under the Good Doctor.



Veivers lasted 50 games in charge......Noble lasted 24 games at the helm......if he's a creature of habit, then Harris's chances of seeing out the season are small and his chances of being there at the start of 2015 are negligible.



Because I don't want to bet, makes little difference to the evidence above........Mar has the attention span of a 3 yr old and the patience of that three year olds brother who is 2yrs old.



Alas lads.....your little crusade to "out me" as a troll has as much chance of success as Harris will have with the squad of past-it names and wage stealers will have of troubling anyone this year with regard to a home play-off game....and as positive as I am that Salford will not make the top 6, I will still not "wager" as much, as I have more adult things to spend my hard earned on!

So if that is your view why not have the bet? You are probably suggesting that the odds of Harris not being there at the end of the season will be about 1/6. I am offering even money. All proceeds to the RL Benevolent Fund. I see no reason at all why you wont accept the bet. Be a man for once (for you will become one some day)and put some money into the game you love.

Perhaps he doesn't get enough pocket money to take you on.



Well done Slugger, at least you have the balls to take EB on.

Doesn't matter how much you dress-up your reasoning, I don't see why you wouldn't take on a bet for charity. You have the chance to contribute to a good cause and Lord it up over everyone else if you win. Surely someone of your sizable ego couldn't resist? Of course, there's the flip side. If you don't take the bet on then EB has already won. You don't believe your own statement. I'd say that you would lose some credibility but you need to have some in the first place to lose.

As I said, I have other more adult things to spend money on rather than your childish and loaded bet. Because I said 18 weeks, you take it literally? If I tell you something else, do you promise to be consistent





You can offer proceeds to anyone you like BTW.....it won't egg me into making a stupid bet.



Whilst were on the topic of funds for the game and betting. I won the NRL opening round attendance bet back on 2010 when the NRL boards were populated here...the other betters contributed to the game! Oh....that bike ride I did between Leeds and London...it raised quite a substantial level of funds. Other than the cash I raised, there was a signed ball from Chelsea and a signed shirt from England cricket when the former won the league for the first time in yonks and the cricket team went an entire summer unbeaten as well as loads of other stuff that was auctioned.....can you guess the year and/or the player I helped raise funds for?







Yes slugger......well done you

although I'll reserve judgement on how clever you have actually been come the end of the season....placing a bet without research but just to fit in is a tad hasty in the opinion of many sane people.



To Dumb and Dumber above, the funniest double team since Abbott and Costello, I state my opinion on these boards and elsewhere but am rarely "asked outside" or to "wager" on them, unless it is by a double team who think they are funny and giggle like schoolgirls at their inventiveness......Whilst in reality, my real purpose is in fact being fulfilled, as your idiot posts here mean I am keeping you off the streets and making the UK a safer place by doing so.

HR - I never realised one thing - may be he's not 18 yet - so not allowed to have a bet. Apologies Gutterfax if so.