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Saints March Into the Semi-Finals - Includes Semi DrawWith Hull KR, Leeds Rhinos and Warrington Wolves already in the hat for this afternoons Ladbrokes Challenge Cup semi-final draw, this afternoon it was the turn of St Helens and Widnes Vikings to vie for that last place.
Super Leagues second place side had a home game against the team nine places below them with the bookies making the home side the clear favourites. Denis Betts would have spent the time since the draw readying his side for this match and they would come to Langtree Park intending to make progress.
Make no mistake, Saints were embarking on the post-Wellens era with a tough encounter against a side who could upset the pundits and take the spoils.
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Saints March Into the Semi-Finals - Includes Semi DrawWith Hull KR, Leeds Rhinos and Warrington Wolves already in the hat for this afternoons Ladbrokes Challenge Cup semi-final draw, this afternoon it was the turn of St Helens and Widnes Vikings to vie for that last place.
Super Leagues second place side had a home game against the team nine places below them with the bookies making the home side the clear favourites. Denis Betts would have spent the time since the draw readying his side for this match and they would come to Langtree Park intending to make progress.
Make no mistake, Saints were embarking on the post-Wellens era with a tough encounter against a side who could upset the pundits and take the spoils.
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Widnes gave it a real dig there – great effort.
The Turner ball steal penalty certainly changed the momentum, St’s couldn’t buy any yards in the second half before that.
It’s getting very messy now, really tricky for the ref to decide in real time, too faffy to go to the VR, but it’ an area of the game that’s becoming very contentious.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Widnes gave it a real dig there – great effort.
The Turner ball steal penalty certainly changed the momentum, St’s couldn’t buy any yards in the second half before that.
It’s getting very messy now, really tricky for the ref to decide in real time, too faffy to go to the VR, but it’ an area of the game that’s becoming very contentious.'"
No excuse for poor officiating again. It happened right in front of me and was clear as day that Turner was trying to offload. The touch judge and the referee have no excuses for seeing it correctly in real time.
I think we would still have come out on top in the end regardless of that decision, but all credit to Widnes they gave it all they had and no complaints had they won. |
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Be interesting to see if a saints no 21 (Greenwood?) gets a ban and there are people calling for a ten game ban for his leg twisting on Brown.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Be interesting to see if a saints no 21 (Greenwood?) gets a ban and there are people calling for a ten game ban for his leg twisting on Brown.'"
Thats a load of garbage, straight forward grab tackle on his bad ankle. |
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Thats a load of garbage, straight forward grab tackle on his bad ankle.'"
Watch it again, twists him once and half attempts to do it again, but Brown kicks him off. |
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Watch it again, twists him once and half attempts to do it again, but Brown kicks him off.'"
Still Garbage, Brown hits the deck on his backside and twists his own body around to put himself in the play the ball position. Greenwood
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Still Garbage, Brown hits the deck on his backside and twists his own body around to put himself in the play the ball position. Greenwood
didn,t release his ankles until instructed so by the referee.
Brown didn,t even kick him off, he just stepped forward to play the ball, and then realised he had been tackled with his bad ankle, which he got much earlier on in the match.'"
It’s not garbage when you’re so biased towards your own club, that you will use any allegory to refute the Sneyd incident. |
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Be interesting to see if a saints no 21 (Greenwood?) gets a ban and there are people calling for a ten game ban for his leg twisting on Brown.'"
Precedent has been set. 2 game ban. |
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Still Garbage, Brown hits the deck on his backside and twists his own body around to put himself in the play the ball position. '"
Brown had to twist his body round because Greenwood was rotating his legs, if he hadn't then it could have been nasty.
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If the RFL were consistent then Sneyd would've got a longer ban.
I just knew Hull fans would jump over the next 'twist' incident and still portray Sneyd as some kind of victim. 
The Greenwood one isn't actually bad, and that Hull fans is what a genuine accidental one looks like.....not Sneyd's.
Greenwood makes the tackle around Brown's lower legs and Brown is dragging his foot out to PTB as Greenwood is rolling. Unlike Sneyd who had a tight grip on McGuire's foot and decided to roll with it in that grip.
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If the RFL were consistent then Sneyd would've got a longer ban.
I just knew Hull fans would jump over the next 'twist' incident and still portray Sneyd as some kind of victim.
The Greenwood one isn't actually bad, and that Hull fans is what a genuine accidental one looks like.....not Sneyd's.
Greenwood makes the tackle around Brown's lower legs and Brown is dragging his foot out to PTB as Greenwood is rolling. Unlike Sneyd who had a tight grip on McGuire's foot and decided to roll with it in that grip.
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I think it depends if they see it as Greenwood's momentum causing the roll. I wouldn't like to say. In Sneyd's case it definitely wasn't momentum.
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| Quote The Horses Mouth="The Horses Mouth"Brown had to twist his body round because Greenwood was rotating his legs, if he hadn't then it could have been nasty.
Plus Brown isn't a spoiled child like McGuire, so didn't react petulantly.'"
Well no, Brown was twisting because there was a slim chance of an offload. The initial contact from Greenwood was the back of Brown shirt, with momentum Browns ankles were around Greenwoods throat, it was after this when Greenwood still had hold of Browns trailing ankle, delayed a quicker PTB.
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You lot are ridiculous. Greenwood doesn't twist the ankle, once he's finished the roll, the ankle is still pointing in the direction it should and hasn't rotated 360 degrees. No case to answer here at all.
If Greenwood does get a referral for that, Saints should just show a highlights clip of Willie Isa's involvement in the game. I don't think he did a thing yesterday that was within the rules.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"
I just knew Hull fans would jump over the next 'twist' incident and still portray Sneyd as some kind of victim '"
It was inevitable, like night follows day.
What's funny is there is actually nothing in this "incident", just a Hull fan seeing what he wants to see.
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Two very different incidents IMO.
Greenwood is already falling to his left as he makes the tackle. The momentum of that leads him to roll over once as he hits the floor. He then rolls a second time to get himself in a better position to get up and get to marker. At no point does he manipulate or in any way alter the direction of Brown's foot/ankle.
Sneyd landed on his front, then took it upon himself to grab McGuire and roll in order to try and slow down the play the ball.
At the very, very worst it's a warning about future technique but I don't think it deserved even that.
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Greenwood charged with grade C.
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| Quote SecondRowSaint="SecondRowSaint"Greenwood charged with grade C.'"
Even tough I started this, I think that it a bit harsh, I would expect him to get a one match ban, there was certainly something in the tackle, just some fans can't see it against their own players, but were quick to jump onto Sneyd last week. |
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"It’s not garbage when you’re so biased towards your own club, that you will use any allegory to refute the Sneyd incident.'"
Just seen this, I think you find that I thought Sneyd was guilty and deserved a ban (I said 3 matches compared to previous incidents), what I didn't agree with was the 8-10 matches that people were talking about, this is a similar tackle although not as bad and deserves as least looking at, it seems the people that matter agree with me. |
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Just seen this, I think you find that I thought Sneyd was guilty and deserved a ban (I said 3 matches compared to previous incidents), what I didn't agree with was the 8-10 matches that people were talking about, this is a similar tackle although not as bad and deserves as least looking at, it seems the people that matter agree with me.'"
I'm no Leeds or Saints fan but:
Sneyd should've got longer. There was intent to commit the tackle even IF he'd didn't intend to injure - the recklessness shoudlve warranted at least 4 games more than he got.
Greenwood, at best, should've got a slap on the wrist. There was nothing in it whatsoever.
I think it's common knowledge on here that the disciplinary panel (and the RFL as a whole) are a bunch of moronic c**ks. There should be a complete restructure of the panel, but best to be done at the end of the season.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Even tough I started this, I think that it a bit harsh, I would expect him to get a one match ban, there was certainly something in the tackle, just some fans can't see it against their own players, but were quick to jump onto Sneyd last week.'"
I wouldn't have said that was anything like the same severity or level of potential for injury that the Sneyd challenge had to it. For them to be graded the same is daft IMO. If Greenwood gets the same ban that Sneyd got then the game really has gone mad. |
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They've painted themselves in to a corner by not dealing with a bad incident appropriately. Now they can't plausibly punish Greenwood even if they find him guilty (not that I think they should find him guilty necessarily) because it wasn't even in the same postcode as Sneyd's
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"I wouldn't have said that was anything like the same severity or level of potential for injury that the Sneyd challenge had to it. For them to be graded the same is daft IMO. If Greenwood gets the same ban that Sneyd got then the game really has gone mad.'"
I pretty much agree, he should get a maximum of one match, but I'd be tempted to fine and warn him, but like last week with fans going over the top about Sneyd, the bias is showing in some fans to say he did nothing wrong, it could have been dangerous and Brown clearly thought they was something wrong with it. |
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| Quote Willzay="Willzay"I'm no Leeds or Saints fan but:
Sneyd should've got longer. There was intent to commit the tackle even IF he'd didn't intend to injure - the recklessness shoudlve warranted at least 4 games more than he got.
Greenwood, at best, should've got a slap on the wrist. There was nothing in it whatsoever.
I think it's common knowledge on here that the disciplinary panel (and the RFL as a whole) are a bunch of moronic c**ks. There should be a complete restructure of the panel, but best to be done at the end of the season.
All in a complete, neutral viewpoint of course.'"
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