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Quote ="Saddened!"No one is saying Saints are angels, if we're committing serious fouls and not being punished they should be, just further evidence that the system isn't working. What he wants is consistency and a disciplinary system that protects players. There is IMO a clear line between an intended outcome and an accidental one and the RFL don't have any grasp on the severity of incidents IMO. In this instance Green used an outlawed technique to deliberately attack the skull of a player in a vulnerable position, causing a triple fracture of his cheek bone. Do we really have to wait until someone dies or suffers a life changing injury before something is done about it? A 6 game ban in this instance would be a deterrent to players. It's not a normal high shot like you compare it to, those are more often than not accidental or reckless. As for the Wakefield v Saints game, the worst challenge was Lauitiiti's, also a shoulder charge to the face which also caused serious injury. Green is only going to miss 1 game for this, which is a joke. Surely you can see that?'"
I can agree with most of what you are saying, BUT if he feels so strongly about a flawed disciplinary system why did he not back up our chairman and Hull FC's chairman, both who were fined for their very similar outbursts last year. I'm afraid it comes across as not in my back yard because of his comments purely about St Helens being hard done by.
Always had the upmost respect for your club and thought our two clubs shared a pretty good relationship, afraid this statement has disappointed me, not for it's content but for it's poor timing.
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Quote ="Saddened!"No one is saying Saints are angels, if we're committing serious fouls and not being punished they should be, just further evidence that the system isn't working. What he wants is consistency and a disciplinary system that protects players. There is IMO a clear line between an intended outcome and an accidental one and the RFL don't have any grasp on the severity of incidents IMO. In this instance Green used an outlawed technique to deliberately attack the skull of a player in a vulnerable position, causing a triple fracture of his cheek bone. Do we really have to wait until someone dies or suffers a life changing injury before something is done about it? A 6 game ban in this instance would be a deterrent to players. It's not a normal high shot like you compare it to, those are more often than not accidental or reckless. As for the Wakefield v Saints game, the worst challenge was Lauitiiti's, also a shoulder charge to the face which also caused serious injury. Green is only going to miss 1 game for this, which is a joke. Surely you can see that?'"
I can agree with most of what you are saying, BUT if he feels so strongly about a flawed disciplinary system why did he not back up our chairman and Hull FC's chairman, both who were fined for their very similar outbursts last year. I'm afraid it comes across as not in my back yard because of his comments purely about St Helens being hard done by.
Always had the upmost respect for your club and thought our two clubs shared a pretty good relationship, afraid this statement has disappointed me, not for it's content but for it's poor timing.
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Quote ="Him"No, he's a Rhino's player alongside Rob Burrows and Danny ">Maguire.'"
That doesn't really work, does it?
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Quote ="Him"No, he's a Rhino's player alongside Rob Burrows and Danny ">Maguire.'"
That doesn't really work, does it?
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Quote ="Orrell Lad"Saints the new moaning club? Looks like winning silverware again after so long has gone to their ">heads.'"
Did you notice the crusher tackle on an FC player tonight that went entirely unpunished? Amor was binned for 10 and then banned for two matches for a crusher earlier in the season. All of a sudden, and from nowhere, the cards have stopped being shown. We never know where we are with the rules as fans, it must be very confusing for players.
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Quote ="Orrell Lad"Saints the new moaning club? Looks like winning silverware again after so long has gone to their ">heads.'"
Did you notice the crusher tackle on an FC player tonight that went entirely unpunished? Amor was binned for 10 and then banned for two matches for a crusher earlier in the season. All of a sudden, and from nowhere, the cards have stopped being shown. We never know where we are with the rules as fans, it must be very confusing for players.
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Quote ="SaintsFan"Did you notice the crusher tackle on an FC player tonight that went entirely unpunished? Amor was binned for 10 and then banned for two matches for a crusher earlier in the season. All of a sudden, and from nowhere, the cards have stopped being shown. We never know where we are with the rules as fans, it must be very confusing for ">players.'"
Still bitter?
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Quote ="SaintsFan"Did you notice the crusher tackle on an FC player tonight that went entirely unpunished? Amor was binned for 10 and then banned for two matches for a crusher earlier in the season. All of a sudden, and from nowhere, the cards have stopped being shown. We never know where we are with the rules as fans, it must be very confusing for ">players.'"
Still bitter?
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Quote ="BackrowSaint"Does he play for the same team as Sam Tompkins?'"
Not my fault he doesn't know how to spell John. icon_cool.gif" alt="icon_cool.gif" title="Cool" /> |
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Quote ="BackrowSaint"Does he play for the same team as Sam Tompkins?'"
Not my fault he doesn't know how to spell John. icon_cool.gif" alt="icon_cool.gif" title="Cool" /> | |
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why are the RFL thinking that a shoulder charge that hits the shoulder then fractures a cheekbone is any more acceptable than one which directly hits the head and fractures a cheekbone.
This is a systemic issue and McManus, along with Hetherington and a few others before him, are right to bring it up. The way referees are handled and the disciplinary process itself has become an exercise in PR rather than a good process.
Offenses and their grading have become an opportunity for wiggle room and not an attempt at consistency and this offence is a good example of it.
Rather than asking what did Green do and how many matches does it deserve, they ask where can we introduce uncertainty to protect the referee.
Green had to go. It should have been a simple decision. He should have got a few matches and it should have been a simple ">decision.'"
So that's a strong case for reviewing the current grading system. However, within the system as it currently stands the punishment was correct.
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why are the RFL thinking that a shoulder charge that hits the shoulder then fractures a cheekbone is any more acceptable than one which directly hits the head and fractures a cheekbone.
This is a systemic issue and McManus, along with Hetherington and a few others before him, are right to bring it up. The way referees are handled and the disciplinary process itself has become an exercise in PR rather than a good process.
Offenses and their grading have become an opportunity for wiggle room and not an attempt at consistency and this offence is a good example of it.
Rather than asking what did Green do and how many matches does it deserve, they ask where can we introduce uncertainty to protect the referee.
Green had to go. It should have been a simple decision. He should have got a few matches and it should have been a simple ">decision.'"
So that's a strong case for reviewing the current grading system. However, within the system as it currently stands the punishment was correct.
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