Quote LeighGionaire="LeighGionaire"It really is wonderful to see that scrapping automatic promotion and relegation helped clubs secure their financial stability as the RFL said it would. icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />'" same way they put in the licence that you need a nice shiny stadium, are chairman stated that rfl said no new stadium no licence so we had to get into bed with salford council and peel holdings to build the stadium and with us needing it more than anything got a tenants agreement with no real room for negotiations wheres are only real income was people coming through the gates. there a number of things that have damaged salford to this positions magmanagment being a big one but rlf forcing clubs to get stadiums anyway they can does not help either

Quote LeighGionaire="LeighGionaire"It really is wonderful to see that scrapping automatic promotion and relegation helped clubs secure their financial stability as the RFL said it would. icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />'" same way they put in the licence that you need a nice shiny stadium, are chairman stated that rfl said no new stadium no licence so we had to get into bed with salford council and peel holdings to build the stadium and with us needing it more than anything got a tenants agreement with no real room for negotiations wheres are only real income was people coming through the gates. there a number of things that have damaged salford to this positions magmanagment being a big one but rlf forcing clubs to get stadiums anyway they can does not help either

Quote DemonUK="DemonUK"If i remember rightly the club announcement said 'firms like kpmg'. The business plan was based on 1.5 million pounds of loans not an investors cash. This is being strung out as long as JW can do to try and force the RFLs hand. The club is now subject to a second winding up petition brought by Luke Patten. This was reported in Business Week on Friday. There are no investors and if there were they will not be taking on your ">debts.'" He did say 'firms like KPMG', but by this he meant 'two firms, one of which was KPMG', not 'a firm called PKGM, which is a firm like KPMG'. Do you have any evidence to suggest John WIlkinson is stringing this out? In the fans meeting, he told us there were two interested parties. If you know neither of them exist, can you tell us how you know this?

Quote DemonUK="DemonUK"If i remember rightly the club announcement said 'firms like kpmg'. The business plan was based on 1.5 million pounds of loans not an investors cash. This is being strung out as long as JW can do to try and force the RFLs hand. The club is now subject to a second winding up petition brought by Luke Patten. This was reported in Business Week on Friday. There are no investors and if there were they will not be taking on your ">debts.'" He did say 'firms like KPMG', but by this he meant 'two firms, one of which was KPMG', not 'a firm called PKGM, which is a firm like KPMG'. Do you have any evidence to suggest John WIlkinson is stringing this out? In the fans meeting, he told us there were two interested parties. If you know neither of them exist, can you tell us how you know this?

Absolutely right.

I cant remember which footie chairman it was (it may have been Ken Bates back in his Chelsea days), who always spoke of budgeting for a mid table finish and going out of both cups in the 1st round that they played in (obviously 3rd round of the FA Cup etc, but you know what he meant) and this was to prevent over ambitioous spending.

Certainly a number of SL clubs have been guilty of hoping/expecting too much and its certainly a shame for your club, who appeared from the outside to be following a sensible plan. Although if you did need 8000 fans to "break even", then clearly,, not enough was being done to achieve this in terms of marketing and promotion and you certainly weren't helped with the enforced switch of the Wakefield game at the end of last season.

FWIW, I hope that you come through the other side, good luck !

It depends if this new plan includes a sizeable marketing budget, and somebody on the payroll able to deliver the neccessary work to increase the support base, if it does then it might stand a chance of success

Quote Red John="Red John" Quote Red John="DemonUK"If i remember rightly the club announcement said 'firms like kpmg'. The business plan was based on 1.5 million pounds of loans not an investors cash. This is being strung out as long as JW can do to try and force the RFLs hand. The club is now subject to a second winding up petition brought by Luke Patten. This was reported in Business Week on Friday. There are no investors and if there were they will not be taking on your ">debts.'" He did say 'firms like KPMG', but by this he meant 'two firms, one of which was KPMG', not 'a firm called PKGM, which is a firm like KPMG'. Do you have any evidence to suggest John WIlkinson is stringing this out? In the fans meeting, he told us there were two interested parties. If you know neither of them exist, can you tell us how you know this?'" No i don't have evidence. It is only my opinion. Up to now i have been right every step of the way on what will happen. With Luke Pattern lodging a second petition it looks like more money will be required immediately to stave off major major problems. I just think the closer you get to the start of the season there is more chance that the RFL will have no choice but to assist to avoid further embarrassment and problems

Quote Red John="Red John" Quote Red John="DemonUK"If i remember rightly the club announcement said 'firms like kpmg'. The business plan was based on 1.5 million pounds of loans not an investors cash. This is being strung out as long as JW can do to try and force the RFLs hand. The club is now subject to a second winding up petition brought by Luke Patten. This was reported in Business Week on Friday. There are no investors and if there were they will not be taking on your ">debts.'" He did say 'firms like KPMG', but by this he meant 'two firms, one of which was KPMG', not 'a firm called PKGM, which is a firm like KPMG'. Do you have any evidence to suggest John WIlkinson is stringing this out? In the fans meeting, he told us there were two interested parties. If you know neither of them exist, can you tell us how you know this?'" No i don't have evidence. It is only my opinion. Up to now i have been right every step of the way on what will happen. With Luke Pattern lodging a second petition it looks like more money will be required immediately to stave off major major problems. I just think the closer you get to the start of the season there is more chance that the RFL will have no choice but to assist to avoid further embarrassment and problems

Also the phrase 'firms like kpmg' does not mean that one of them was kpmg, unless of course a further statement has been made saying that. I have only taken the literal meaning of the official statement.