Completely wrong, no balance whatsoever :-



1983 John Player Trophy (15-4, at Elland Road) - Both part time

1994 Challenge Cup (26-16, at Wembley) - Both Full Time

1995 Challenge Cup (30-10, at Wembley) - Both Full Time

1995 Premiership Final (69-12, at Old Trafford) - Both Full Time

1998 Super League Grand Final (10-4, at Old Trafford) - Both Full Time

2011 Challenge Cup (28-18, at Wembley) - Both Full Time

I'm not really wanting to enter a debate with you, but I'd say you can go back in history as far as if the same players were playing at the time. Moving back 30 years is a totally different era when many of the players where not born yet or below 5 years old.

Not that I really want to get involved with the subject, but isn't that simply, once again, changing the goalposts to suit your bias? And no different to a Wigan fan picking 2 or 30 years.

Not quite, the reason being I thought we were measuring 'recent' success. And by 'recent' i would say you can go as far back as when a majority of the players playing today were playing then. Going back 30 years is a period when none on the players today would have been playing, so is hardly 'recent' in a playing sense.

Saints have beaten us plenty of times too. We really do struggle.

The Leeds celebrations after the GF last year were severely muted by their failure to beat Wigan all year, or to have beaten any side above them until the play-offs. They also regularly curse the failure of Garry Schofield et al to win anything in the 80s and 90s.