Best team won, i was hoping for 2 out of 2 losses. i hope Bailey gets his come uppance for that deliberate high shot.

Quote ="Odem"If you are bring in things from 8 seasons ago, can we bring in stuff from the last 30 seasons? It is classed as 'history' just the same as something from 8 seasons ago. Other fans are always very selective about which parts of history they would like to include. You just proved that ">point.'" I'm not really wanting to enter a debate with you, but I'd say you can go back in history as far as if the same players were playing at the time. Moving back 30 years is a totally different era when many of the players where not born yet or below 5 years old.

Quote ="Odem"If you are bring in things from 8 seasons ago, can we bring in stuff from the last 30 seasons? It is classed as 'history' just the same as something from 8 seasons ago. Other fans are always very selective about which parts of history they would like to include. You just proved that ">point.'" I'm not really wanting to enter a debate with you, but I'd say you can go back in history as far as if the same players were playing at the time. Moving back 30 years is a totally different era when many of the players where not born yet or below 5 years old.

Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"I'm not really wanting to enter a debate with you, but I'd say you can go back in history as far as if the same players were playing at the time. Moving back 30 years is a totally different era when many of the players where not born yet or below 5 years ">old.'" Not that I really want to get involved with the subject, but isn't that simply, once again, changing the goalposts to suit your bias? And no different to a Wigan fan picking 2 or 30 years.

Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"I'm not really wanting to enter a debate with you, but I'd say you can go back in history as far as if the same players were playing at the time. Moving back 30 years is a totally different era when many of the players where not born yet or below 5 years ">old.'" Not that I really want to get involved with the subject, but isn't that simply, once again, changing the goalposts to suit your bias? And no different to a Wigan fan picking 2 or 30 years.

Quote ="Enicomb"Not that I really want to get involved with the subject, but isn't that simply, once again, changing the goalposts to suit your bias? And no different to a Wigan fan picking 2 or 30 ">years.'" Not quite, the reason being I thought we were measuring 'recent' success. And by 'recent' i would say you can go as far back as when a majority of the players playing today were playing then. Going back 30 years is a period when none on the players today would have been playing, so is hardly 'recent' in a playing sense.

Quote ="Enicomb"Not that I really want to get involved with the subject, but isn't that simply, once again, changing the goalposts to suit your bias? And no different to a Wigan fan picking 2 or 30 ">years.'" Not quite, the reason being I thought we were measuring 'recent' success. And by 'recent' i would say you can go as far back as when a majority of the players playing today were playing then. Going back 30 years is a period when none on the players today would have been playing, so is hardly 'recent' in a playing sense.

Saints have beaten us plenty of times too. We really do struggle.

The Leeds celebrations after the GF last year were severely muted by their failure to beat Wigan all year, or to have beaten any side above them until the play-offs. They also regularly curse the failure of Garry Schofield et al to win anything in the 80s and 90s.