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| Quote ="Roofaldo"The thing about Catalan is they're not french. I know we call them that, but it's like calling an irishman and a scotsman.
Yes, Leeds is the only major city with an RL presence, however Manchester, Liverpool, Blackburn and Bolton are all have premier league football sides, some more than 1, and all those sides have fans living in the heartlands and all those heartland clubs have to compete with premier league teams in terms of attracting fans
I did say the right marketing strategy. Clearly quins don't seem to have any strategy to get new fans/converts from union beyond sharing a stadium and colours with a union club
and as for population, the m62 corridor has approx 6.2 million people living along it where as greater london has round about 7 million. not a huge difference'"
Big Graeme will be along with a FFS shortly. Don't you know promoting the game in the heartlands is down to the clubs, but promoting expansion is down to the RFL even though clubs have failed in London and Wales before.
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| League is obviously a better sport than union but I dont mind a bit of the 15 man code sometimes.
Why are you people all so anti union?
Union fans arent anti league... they just treat it the same way as an Aussie treats a kiwi
Like that sort of annoying slightly odd half cousin who you only have to have something to do with because you are sort of related.
Grow up guys!!!
Union doesnt give a pinch about league!!
Be the same towards them!!
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| That is possibly the most sensible post you've ever posted. EVER.
It's true, some people just need to spend their lives worrying about something else.
Me: I don't have a care in the world, never mind worrying about flippin union
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Quote ="Dico"That is possibly the most sensible post you've ever posted. EVER.
It's true, some people just need to spend their lives worrying about something else.
Me: I don't have a care in the world, never mind worrying about flippin union'"
Amen to that brother  a014.gif" alt="a014.gif" title="bow down" />
Lifes too short to be worrying about ANYTHING... especially whether or not the 15 man code is going to suddenly appear one day and lure all the league players away like the pied piper.
They wont.
There is enough room for both codes in the world to co exist.
Factimundo.
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Quote ="Dico"That is possibly the most sensible post you've ever posted. EVER.
It's true, some people just need to spend their lives worrying about something else.
Me: I don't have a care in the world, never mind worrying about flippin union'"
Amen to that brother  a014.gif" alt="a014.gif" title="bow down" />
Lifes too short to be worrying about ANYTHING... especially whether or not the 15 man code is going to suddenly appear one day and lure all the league players away like the pied piper.
They wont.
There is enough room for both codes in the world to co exist.
Factimundo.
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Quote ="Roofaldo":2k9hambeBut why can't SL clubs be big enough? Championship
football this season had an average gate of 17k, that's 2nd tier football. And there's a number of clubs in that league who've averaged LESS than 10k
[url=http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/attend.html:2k9hambeStats taken from here[/url:2k9hambe
But no-one seems to be able to answer me WHY can't SL clubs be this high? There's enough people in the areas that RL clubs inhabit. So really, IMO, there needs to be a massive push in terms of marketing of the game in these areas as people may not know the game, as strange as this may sound, so they need to be introduced to the game and work has to be done to get them coming back.
Personally, I think a major part in the lack of appeal of the sport is that so many of SL clubs play in old, decrepit stadia. Now, I know that new stadiums are the responsibility of the clubs involved. However, surely the RFL can try and help these clubs get the planning permission by lobbying or otherwise pushing local councils and help find funding for these stadia. New stadiums always help boost attendances, look at Hull FC and Warrington, both had increases in attendance thanks in part to their new stadiums and that's and increase from both home AND away followers.
I agree that internationals should be more important, but right now they're not. England does not have the quality or depth that Aus/NZ have in terms of players. If you look at the Aus national side they have at least 3 world class players per position in the team. England have maybe 3 world class players in the team. Without major investment into bringing the playing numbers up to speed we can't ever hope to compete on the international stage.
As for the RU WC win, did it REALLY have any major impact either on media coverage or people playing/watching the game? It had a bit of a spike in interest up to the final and for a few weeks after but then that died back down to the level it was prior to the :2k9hambe">WC.'" home supporters watch huddersfield you might have the answer.
they are a big town with a fantastic stadium,a fantastic owner,a top team & they've had the best part of 15 years at the top table.salford will be the same when they get there stadium.now salford v barca might just bring the mancs out. the way SL is at the moment i dont think any amount of advertising is going to increase the average attendence over 7 games by 6/8 thou.
the coverage of RU,football & cricket compared to RL in both written & tv media is massive,or at least thats how it seem when im watching tv or reading papers.
i might be wrong here but hasnt a RU team played in front of 2 gates of 40thou & one of 60 thou this season with its average gate of about 10thou.imo that has been built on the back of a very vibrant international scene.
football,RU,cricket all southern based,national media southern based,RL northern based.who's the black sheep?
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Quote ="Roofaldo":2k9hambeBut why can't SL clubs be big enough? Championship
football this season had an average gate of 17k, that's 2nd tier football. And there's a number of clubs in that league who've averaged LESS than 10k
[url=http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/attend.html:2k9hambeStats taken from here[/url:2k9hambe
But no-one seems to be able to answer me WHY can't SL clubs be this high? There's enough people in the areas that RL clubs inhabit. So really, IMO, there needs to be a massive push in terms of marketing of the game in these areas as people may not know the game, as strange as this may sound, so they need to be introduced to the game and work has to be done to get them coming back.
Personally, I think a major part in the lack of appeal of the sport is that so many of SL clubs play in old, decrepit stadia. Now, I know that new stadiums are the responsibility of the clubs involved. However, surely the RFL can try and help these clubs get the planning permission by lobbying or otherwise pushing local councils and help find funding for these stadia. New stadiums always help boost attendances, look at Hull FC and Warrington, both had increases in attendance thanks in part to their new stadiums and that's and increase from both home AND away followers.
I agree that internationals should be more important, but right now they're not. England does not have the quality or depth that Aus/NZ have in terms of players. If you look at the Aus national side they have at least 3 world class players per position in the team. England have maybe 3 world class players in the team. Without major investment into bringing the playing numbers up to speed we can't ever hope to compete on the international stage.
As for the RU WC win, did it REALLY have any major impact either on media coverage or people playing/watching the game? It had a bit of a spike in interest up to the final and for a few weeks after but then that died back down to the level it was prior to the :2k9hambe">WC.'" home supporters watch huddersfield you might have the answer.
they are a big town with a fantastic stadium,a fantastic owner,a top team & they've had the best part of 15 years at the top table.salford will be the same when they get there stadium.now salford v barca might just bring the mancs out. the way SL is at the moment i dont think any amount of advertising is going to increase the average attendence over 7 games by 6/8 thou.
the coverage of RU,football & cricket compared to RL in both written & tv media is massive,or at least thats how it seem when im watching tv or reading papers.
i might be wrong here but hasnt a RU team played in front of 2 gates of 40thou & one of 60 thou this season with its average gate of about 10thou.imo that has been built on the back of a very vibrant international scene.
football,RU,cricket all southern based,national media southern based,RL northern based.who's the black sheep?
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Quote ="j.c"football is in the mind of millions,i think the championship is the fourth largest league in europe.
not critisising here,but if you can work out why only 6thou[guessing home supporters watch huddersfield you might have the answer.
they are a big town with a fantastic stadium,a fantastic owner,a top team & they've had the best part of 15 years at the top table.salford will be the same when they get there stadium.now salford v barca might just bring the mancs out. the way SL is at the moment i dont think any amount of advertising is going to increase the average attendence over 7 games by 6/8 thou.
the coverage of RU,football & cricket compared to RL in both written & tv media is massive,or at least thats how it seem when im watching tv or reading papers.
i might be wrong here but hasnt a RU team played in front of 2 gates of 40thou & one of 60 thou this season with its average gate of about 10thou.imo that has been built on the back of a very vibrant international scene.
football,RU,cricket all southern based,national media southern based,RL northern based.who's the black sheep?'"
As I said, I think it's a question of marketing not only the clubs but the game itself. How many people in Huddersfield actually know the difference between union and league. I've talked to people who don't really know either code, some who don't even know there ARE two codes. And they always ask the same question "what's the difference". This is a question the RFL should be answering. A real push to people in the areas where you already have a club. Say a slick video package to be shown as some kind of national ad campaign that shows off the best aspects of rugby league, a fast paced, skilful game that can be enjoyed by the whole family.
I don't really believe the whole excuse that the media is full of union loving ex-public school boys with an anti-league agenda. I've met a few red top sports journos and not to sound rude to them, but give them a free lunch and an open bar and they'll pretty much write what you want them to. So if we get them on side, we can get the extra column inches in the national papers which helps boost knowledge of the game around the country which then gives an advantage to future expansion clubs as if there is already a willing fan base waiting in the area you're expanding to then that club is likely to thrive. And the expansion of the game round the country means an expansion of people playing the game, which means we may be able to build up an England (and even a Wales and Scotland team) capable of competing on an international level
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Quote ="j.c"football is in the mind of millions,i think the championship is the fourth largest league in europe.
not critisising here,but if you can work out why only 6thou[guessing home supporters watch huddersfield you might have the answer.
they are a big town with a fantastic stadium,a fantastic owner,a top team & they've had the best part of 15 years at the top table.salford will be the same when they get there stadium.now salford v barca might just bring the mancs out. the way SL is at the moment i dont think any amount of advertising is going to increase the average attendence over 7 games by 6/8 thou.
the coverage of RU,football & cricket compared to RL in both written & tv media is massive,or at least thats how it seem when im watching tv or reading papers.
i might be wrong here but hasnt a RU team played in front of 2 gates of 40thou & one of 60 thou this season with its average gate of about 10thou.imo that has been built on the back of a very vibrant international scene.
football,RU,cricket all southern based,national media southern based,RL northern based.who's the black sheep?'"
As I said, I think it's a question of marketing not only the clubs but the game itself. How many people in Huddersfield actually know the difference between union and league. I've talked to people who don't really know either code, some who don't even know there ARE two codes. And they always ask the same question "what's the difference". This is a question the RFL should be answering. A real push to people in the areas where you already have a club. Say a slick video package to be shown as some kind of national ad campaign that shows off the best aspects of rugby league, a fast paced, skilful game that can be enjoyed by the whole family.
I don't really believe the whole excuse that the media is full of union loving ex-public school boys with an anti-league agenda. I've met a few red top sports journos and not to sound rude to them, but give them a free lunch and an open bar and they'll pretty much write what you want them to. So if we get them on side, we can get the extra column inches in the national papers which helps boost knowledge of the game around the country which then gives an advantage to future expansion clubs as if there is already a willing fan base waiting in the area you're expanding to then that club is likely to thrive. And the expansion of the game round the country means an expansion of people playing the game, which means we may be able to build up an England (and even a Wales and Scotland team) capable of competing on an international level
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