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| Yup, looks that way. The "Dual" contract system was always weighted in favour of the SL club and that was fair enough. Championship club knows the risk (of injuries etc.) and takes their chances. This turn of events is a stinker though. Almost certainly not covered in the drafted "rules" when clearly it should have been.
Have the RFL had any say in this arrangement? It may not be against the letter of the "law" but surely it is against the spirit?
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Quote ="Pepe"OK, let me show you what I mean. I’d just like to get one point out of the way first though. You were replying to this post from Starbug:
Note the area marked in bold
Starbug is clearly saying that the Championship is important and that the game as a whole needs to be strong to survive.
You replied:
Did you miss the point?
Starbug is clearly saying that ‘all parts are important’, so obviously somebody has stated such. '" you seem to have ignored the fact that that was starbug argument against a point i clarified nobody had made
whats strange is you seem to understand perfectly well the conversation that went on yet pretended you didnt. Odd
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Saying that one area of the same body is more important that another, when that body requires its entire constituent parts to remain healthy and at its peak in order to progress and survive, makes any attempt to single out one aspect of the same body as better than the other parts irrelevant. Therefore your point is meaningless.
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yet again, you seem to perfectly understand the meaning of the point being made. You have even written a lovely metaphor below to highlight the fact you understand it but then pretend you dont. As I say its strange
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I have vital organs in my body which I require to stay alive. These can be regarded as being the most important areas of the body. But I would be far less healthy if I lost my arms, legs, and eyes. None of which I require to live, but they still make me a much healthier and stronger human being. We function better with all of our indeed">parts.'" indeed, a good example. Where the lower leagues would be akin to arms or legs, SL the head and the amateur game the heart. You can lose an arm and live a long and happy life, you cant live a long and happy life if your head falls off or your heart explodes.
all constituent parts of the same body working towards the same goal, all contributing in different ways to the body working but some contributing more than others, and hence being more important than other parts of the same body. This isnt a meaningless statement. Its a fairly obvious one that needed an inappropriate amount of explanation but its clearly not meaningless
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The RL amateurs, the lower leagues, and Super League are part of the same body. Each has a different role to play. Each is essential to its well being,
'" indeed. This is correct. With some roles being more important than others.
Quote Being able to read and understand English is fine, but you also need to be able to understand simple concepts, of which this is a perfect example, Dont">too.'"Dont start running before you can crawl. When you can read and understand English better maybe then we can start on concepts
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The lower leagues also provide things which the amateur leagues do not, and by their very nature never can do. The lower leagues provide a valuable service to SL and RL in general that cannot be provided elsewhere. I have already outlined some of them in an earlier post. Other people have also pointed out more areas that make the Championships a vital part of the RL ">cog.'"
yes, there are areas where the championships contribute. Nobody has denied this. What has been said is the contribution the championships make to the game as a whole is less than that of SL and the Amateur game. Of the three cogs in the game, we would be least damaged by losing the lower leagues in comparison to the other two. They are the least important cog in the machine. Not worthless, just not worth as much
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Quote ="Pepe"OK, let me show you what I mean. I’d just like to get one point out of the way first though. You were replying to this post from Starbug:
Note the area marked in bold
Starbug is clearly saying that the Championship is important and that the game as a whole needs to be strong to survive.
You replied:
Did you miss the point?
Starbug is clearly saying that ‘all parts are important’, so obviously somebody has stated such. '" you seem to have ignored the fact that that was starbug argument against a point i clarified nobody had made
whats strange is you seem to understand perfectly well the conversation that went on yet pretended you didnt. Odd
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Saying that one area of the same body is more important that another, when that body requires its entire constituent parts to remain healthy and at its peak in order to progress and survive, makes any attempt to single out one aspect of the same body as better than the other parts irrelevant. Therefore your point is meaningless.
'"
yet again, you seem to perfectly understand the meaning of the point being made. You have even written a lovely metaphor below to highlight the fact you understand it but then pretend you dont. As I say its strange
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I have vital organs in my body which I require to stay alive. These can be regarded as being the most important areas of the body. But I would be far less healthy if I lost my arms, legs, and eyes. None of which I require to live, but they still make me a much healthier and stronger human being. We function better with all of our indeed">parts.'" indeed, a good example. Where the lower leagues would be akin to arms or legs, SL the head and the amateur game the heart. You can lose an arm and live a long and happy life, you cant live a long and happy life if your head falls off or your heart explodes.
all constituent parts of the same body working towards the same goal, all contributing in different ways to the body working but some contributing more than others, and hence being more important than other parts of the same body. This isnt a meaningless statement. Its a fairly obvious one that needed an inappropriate amount of explanation but its clearly not meaningless
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The RL amateurs, the lower leagues, and Super League are part of the same body. Each has a different role to play. Each is essential to its well being,
'" indeed. This is correct. With some roles being more important than others.
Quote Being able to read and understand English is fine, but you also need to be able to understand simple concepts, of which this is a perfect example, Dont">too.'"Dont start running before you can crawl. When you can read and understand English better maybe then we can start on concepts
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The lower leagues also provide things which the amateur leagues do not, and by their very nature never can do. The lower leagues provide a valuable service to SL and RL in general that cannot be provided elsewhere. I have already outlined some of them in an earlier post. Other people have also pointed out more areas that make the Championships a vital part of the RL ">cog.'"
yes, there are areas where the championships contribute. Nobody has denied this. What has been said is the contribution the championships make to the game as a whole is less than that of SL and the Amateur game. Of the three cogs in the game, we would be least damaged by losing the lower leagues in comparison to the other two. They are the least important cog in the machine. Not worthless, just not worth as much
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"they contribute a damn sight more than the lower leagues. Who bar a small minority of players who are missed by the SL net contribute precisely nothing to any other part of the game other than themselves. In fact, they were offered hundreds and thousands of pounds to admit one french club and help the development of the game. They were also reimbursed for the money they spent travelling to and from that one game they had to play an hours flight away, and still a fair amount of =#FF0000their fans bitched and whined about how money they never earned wasnt just handed over for their chairmen to mickey away on another 4th or 5th tier antipodean.
the last SL contract gave every amateur club house Sky Sports at discounted rates. It put thousands of pounds any club in the country could apply for funding from to improve its facilities. =#FF0000It offered ever lower league club £100k on the basis it was invested in the future rather than wasted. It gave £100k to the lower league champions and it doubled the amount of funding that went to lower league clubs
I dont disagree, i thought it almost self-evident. It seems however some fans of lower league clubs seem to take offence to what was clearly an obvious statement'"
No it is not possible for every club to get 100 K , and yet that is how the RFL ' spinned ' it , unfortunatley people like you believe ' spin '
So I have suggested that the RFL just hand money over to the Championship club ?
No , never have , search for days and you will not find a post suggesting that
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| I think Smokey made a typo, and that is what has caused the confusion.
Quote ="Starbug"No it is not possible for every club to get 100 K , and yet that is how the RFL ' spinned ' it , unfortunatley people like you believe ' spin '
So I have suggested that the RFL just hand money over to the Championship club ?
No , never have , search for days and you will not find a post suggesting that'" So what are you suggesting?
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| Quote ="Starbug"No it is not possible for every club to get 100 K , and yet that is how the RFL ' spinned ' it , unfortunatley people like you believe ' spin '
So I have suggested that the RFL just hand money over to the Championship club ?
No , never have , search for days and you will not find a post suggesting that'"
It wasnt possible because some clubs were never going to do it. It would have been pointless to hold over hundreds of thousands of pounds for something people knew wasnt going to happen
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| Quote ="headhunter"I think Smokey made a typo, and that is what has caused the confusion.
So what are you suggesting?'"
Sorry you've lost me , Smokey has not made a typo , the RFL stated at the start of the 2009 season that every club can get 100 K of funding , not that every club will get 100 K of funding
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