Introducing a second ref has nothing to do with referees being incompetent or unwilling to 'do their job'.



It's tough to do it, not impossible by any stretch, but as we were seeing on a regular basis modern, fulltime and well-coached professional players are becoming increasingly adroit at finding ways of slowing play down. Similarly, I've lost track of how many times I've seen a dud call this year when the ball comes lose - both when a ball is removed but isn't penalised and also when the tackled player loses control yet the defender is penalised.



It has nothing to do with incompetence - it's just a very hard thing to police. The refs will never get it right all the time and indeed with one ref will continue to get it wrong in what I'd assume to be equal amounts as they are now - unless they are assisted. Incompetence isn't what restricts them from making the correct call - merely watching an event take place more than 10 metres away, often obstructed by at least 2 players bodies with at least one of the players often trying to 'con' the ref into a wrong decision is what allows these dud calls.



I called for an introduction of a second ref 12/18 months ago, on this very board I believe, as I could see it was becoming difficult to police the ruck area. It's pleasing to hear the NRL experiment has been a positive one though I've only the contributors on this board to corroborate that.



To me its common sense. Why not give as much assistance to the guy in the middle as you can? It doesn't detract from the game, so why not? What possible negative can there be? The Ruck Ref has a minor role to play, in the overall scheme of things so what is the problem? All the arguments against could also have been, and probably were, levied against the introduction of the video ref. I'd like to think that argument has been won and put to bed.



so too, in time, will this argument. I think!



finally, there is no real excuse in this day and age for RL supporters to not know that Refs and TJ's [ido[/i communicate. The TJ's dont need to raise their flag to communicate with the ref and they do communicate frequently. To suggest otherwise renders you as an idiot. In my opinion of course! But with so much evidence (you can SEE them talking on the TV coverage FFS!) available you should know they are already communicating. What was that advert recently which said only a small percentage of communication was verbal? Hand signals, body poistioning, flag movement plus the above-mentioned verbal communication are all methods of communication, which tells me these guys are already being as supportive as they can be. And no, things which they get wrong are not evidence these guys aren't communicating already - that's just evidence that they miss things, or get things wrong from time to time, or interpret things differentyly (or maybe just that the 'punter' is wrong on this occasion). It certainy doesn't mean they are not communicating...

2 Refs, split the game into quaters, allow coaches to challenge calls made by the ref and we all have to sing the national Anthem before kick off It's the Future icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />

2 Refs, split the game into quaters, allow coaches to challenge calls made by the ref and we all have to sing the national Anthem before kick off It's the Future icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />

Quote ="Saintsnut"2 Refs, split the game into quaters, allow coaches to challenge calls made by the ref and we all have to sing the national Anthem before kick off It's the Future icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />'" I'll miss shouting [size=200FORWARD[/size though icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Saintsnut"2 Refs, split the game into quaters, allow coaches to challenge calls made by the ref and we all have to sing the national Anthem before kick off It's the Future icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />'" I'll miss shouting [size=200FORWARD[/size though icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Saint Simon"I'll miss shouting [size=200FORWARD[/size though icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />'" You can still shout it. I still shout [size=200FEEEEEDING ![/size when the scrum half rolls the ball to the feet of the loose forward. icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />

Quote ="Saint Simon"I'll miss shouting [size=200FORWARD[/size though icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />'" You can still shout it. I still shout [size=200FEEEEEDING ![/size when the scrum half rolls the ball to the feet of the loose forward. icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />

Quote ="littlerich"You can still shout it. I still shout [size=200FEEEEEDING ![/size when the scrum half rolls the ball to the feet of the loose forward. icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> I still do that every so often! gets a laugh every time! icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="littlerich"You can still shout it. I still shout [size=200FEEEEEDING ![/size when the scrum half rolls the ball to the feet of the loose forward. icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> I still do that every so often! gets a laugh every time! icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

half the nrl coaches like 2 refs . and about half the captains likt it aswell icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />

half the nrl coaches like 2 refs . and about half the captains likt it aswell icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" title="Rolling Eyes" />