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| Quote Asim="Asim"I'd like to take credit for such a cutting edge piece of design, however I can't, a google image search is your friend - it appears that there was even a McBanana day back in April - maybe it could be a theme for the entertainment one night at Odsal next season?'"
Strange how the Mac 'M' can look like a pair of t1ts & the banana vaguely phallic when your mind is restricted 
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"... the banana vaguely phallic...'"
Been [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_BobbittBobbited[/url though.
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| [url=http://www.facebook.com/people/McBanana-Law/552069825He's in Hong Kong working on defence[/url.
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| Quote Highlander="Highlander"None of the above. I thought (probably naively) that the franchise system, by eliminating relegation, allowed clubs time to develop, plan for the future etc. It also removed the knee jerk reaction of managers getting in antipodean journeymen midseason and also the knee jerk reaction of boards sacking managers due to a run of poor results.'"
OK. Lets look at a scenario then. Assuming our current man in the hotseat continues the rich vein of mediocrity that he has produced since April 2006. Would sacking him then be classed as a "knee jerk reaction"?
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"OK. Lets look at a scenario then. Assuming our current man in the hotseat continues the rich vein of mediocrity that he has produced since April 2006. Would sacking him then be classed as a "knee jerk reaction"?'"
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson#1986.E2.80.9390:_The_first_yearsI feel the cold shadow of the BFMT fall upon me, but still...[/url
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| Quote af="af"[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson#1986.E2.80.9390:_The_first_yearsI feel the cold shadow of the BFMT fall upon me, but still...[/url'"
Hmmm.
Using an example of a man who had proven success at other clubs before taking on a big job? That seems odd. Perhaps if Mr M had started lower and worked his way up in management we could have a bit more faith in his ability to get it right.
However, your point, as relevant as it may or may not be, does a sacking after three years of mediocrity represent a "knee jerk reaction"? Sir Alex Ferguson may be a good example of how things can go right eventually, but he is pretty much a one-off. The stories of failure far outweigh Mr Ferguson's pretty much solitary success story.
Still, not like you to look for the positive spin. 
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| Quote af="af"[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson#1986.E2.80.9390:_The_first_yearsI feel the cold shadow of the BFMT fall upon me, but still...[/url'"
Yeah, but Ferguson had a fairly impressive CV before joining Man Utd, cup winners cup, a few scotish cups and a brace of league wins.
McNamara has won squat and has had the opposite effect of ferguson, taking a championship side to mid-table instead of a mid-table team to championships
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| It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if McBanana comes out of the closet. SOMEONE must be admiring Solomona's curves in the dressing room 
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Strange how the Mac 'M' can look like a pair of t1ts & the banana vaguely phallic when your mind is restricted
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Trust you to come up with that tigs - or should that be priapus?
Now that you mention it there is something macro-phallic about it, with a couple of firmly held  cheeks
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"Hmmm.
Using an example of a man who had proven success at other clubs before taking on a big job? That seems odd. Perhaps if Mr M had started lower and worked his way up in management we could have a bit more faith in his ability to get it right.
However, your point, as relevant as it may or may not be, does a sacking after three years of mediocrity represent a "knee jerk reaction"? Sir Alex Ferguson may be a good example of how things can go right eventually, but he is pretty much a one-off. The stories of failure far outweigh Mr Ferguson's pretty much solitary success story.
Still, not like you to look for the positive spin.
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No sign of the 'Mystic Eddie For Chairman' campaign I see.
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"Hmmm.
Using an example of a man who had proven success at other clubs before taking on a big job? That seems odd. Perhaps if Mr M had started lower and worked his way up in management we could have a bit more faith in his ability to get it right.
However, your point, as relevant as it may or may not be, does a sacking after three years of mediocrity represent a "knee jerk reaction"? Sir Alex Ferguson may be a good example of how things can go right eventually, but he is pretty much a one-off. The stories of failure far outweigh Mr Ferguson's pretty much solitary success story.'"
1: Sticking with seemingly under-performing managers is rare, but it does not seem any less successful than dispensing with them. Clubs that change manager frequently aren't usually associated with success.
2: Man Utd were able to attract someone with a track record because they are Man Utd. We are not, and when you get your head round that, you'll be a lot happier.  It does leave the question of how Caisley got Brian Smith over here in '96, but since then we've 'only' been able to attract unproven assistant coaches.
3: Your original claim that we have had three years of mediocrity doesn't really hold up. Who has had a better last three years than Bradford, other than Leeds and Saints. Wigan? If so, barely and while suffering far greater indignities. 3rd or 4th just is not mediocre. Ask all but two or three of the other clubs in the Super League. Ask a few left outside, like Halifax and Widnes.
You can call it spin. I call it a dispassionate assessment of reality, as opposed to living in a fantasy world where if only Hood tried to bring in Wayne Bennett and Greg Inglis instead of settling for mediocrity, we'd be beating Leeds every other week; where going out of the play-offs in the first week is rock bottom (again, have a chat with some Halifax fans).
Quote mystic eddieMcNamara has won squat and has had the opposite effect of ferguson, taking a championship side to mid-table instead of a mid-table team to championships'"
Classic 'Attlee was crap' reasoning there. Half that championship side was out the door before or soon after McNamara took over.
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| Quote Beechwood Bull="Beechwood Bull"No sign of the 'Mystic Eddie For Chairman' campaign I see.'"
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| Quote af="af"
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Whilst I realise that we are not Man United (really?  ) we [iwere[/i the reigning Super League and World Club Champions when McNamara was appointed. Unofficially, that made us the best club side in the world. Perhaps there [imay[/i have been some interest in our position had the club not taken a "knee jerk" decision to quickly fill the role vacated by Nobby with an unproven understudy who was no doubt a cheap option.
As for mediocrity? From SL and WCC champions to first round play-off elimination in two and a bit years? Very mediocre for a club who continue to make all the right noises about how competitive they are.
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"Whilst I realise that we are not Man United (really?
) we [iwere[/i the reigning Super League and World Club Champions when McNamara was appointed. Unofficially, that made us the best club side in the world. Perhaps there [imay[/i have been some interest in our position had the club not taken a "knee jerk" decision to quickly fill the role vacated by Nobby with an unproven understudy who was no doubt a cheap option.'"
Cheers for the concession offered with the italics, but given that...
a) you have no evidence anyone was interested and
b) as you hint at, we were particularly skint at the time
...there is no (I'll see your italics and raise you a bold) reason to believe anyone else particularly more qualified could have come in.
Quote mystic eddie="eddie"As for mediocrity? From SL and WCC champions to first round play-off elimination in two and a bit years? Very mediocre for a club who continue to make all the right noises about how competitive they are.'"
SL Champions...
Michael Withers, Leon Pryce, Ben Harris, Shontayne Hape, Lesley Vainikolo, Iestyn Harris, Paul Deacon, Ian Henderson, Stuart Fielden, Jamie Peacock, Paul Johnson, Bradley Meyers, Lee Radford
Subs: Robbie Paul, Joe Vagana, Adrian Morley, Jamie Langley
Out first round...
Bradford Bulls: Michael Platt, James Evans, Paul Sykes, Chris Nero, Semi Tadulala, Paul Deacon, Ben Jeffries, Joe Vagana, Terry Newton, Andy Lynch, David Solomona, Simon Finnigan, Jamie Langley
Subs: Matt Cook, Iestyn Harris, Craig Kopczak, Glenn Morrison
... four survivors, half as many as played in both '05 and '08 GFs for Leeds (and not including Keith, who was injured thanks to Joe  ). And by the way...
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Out first round...
Bradford Bulls: Michael Platt, James Evans, Paul Sykes, Chris Nero, Semi Tadulala, Paul Deacon, Ben Jeffries, Joe Vagana, Terry Newton, Andy Lynch, David Solomona, Simon Finnigan, Jamie Langley
Subs: Matt Cook, Iestyn Harris, Craig Kopczak, Glenn Morrison
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Again I could say that the players McNamara signed were just not good enough to replace those leaving. But no doubt some people will find other more "plausible" reasons for our downturn in quality.
As for the Noble link? Yes, sometimes clubs DO get it right. In the case of McNamara though, they have it completely wrong.
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"Again I could say that the players McNamara signed were just not good enough to replace those leaving. But no doubt some people will find other more "plausible" reasons for our downturn in quality.'"
Not a flicker of recognition that replacing 75% of your first team squad in three years might be more difficult than replacing 50% of your first team squad, especially considering financial restraints and the lack of youth players coming through. And it's all academic when you have no alternative to offer to McNamara, other than on-off assurances that 'someone' might have been interested or might now be interested in the job.
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| Quote af="af"Not a flicker of recognition that replacing 75% of your first team squad in three years might be more difficult than replacing 50% of your first team squad, especially considering financial restraints and the lack of youth players coming through. And it's all academic when you have no alternative to offer to McNamara, other than on-off assurances that 'someone' might have been interested or might now be interested in the job.'"
Blah Blah Blah.
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The same old "name a better person" argument. Why is it that some people feel the need for an alternative to be named rather than accept an opinion that the present man is not good enough?
Of [icourse[/i replacing 75% of the team is more difficult than replacing 50% of it. Even more difficult when you have a coach with a poor record in regards to recruitment.
However. Lets look at Wigan - the side that faced us a couple of weeks before Nobby left....
Ashton, Calderwood, Richards, Vaeliki, Dallas, Orr, Moran, Seuseu, Higham, Hargreaves, Tickle, Fletcher, O'Loughlin
Subs Wilkes, Prescott, Godwin, Jonkers
and the team that knocked us out of the play offs last season...
Mathers, Calderwood, Phelps, Carmont, Richards, Barrett, Leuluai, Fielden, Higham, Coley, Hansen, Bailey, J. Tomkins.
Subs: Paleaaesina, Hock, O'Carroll, Smith
Interestingly, three players played in both games - it seems that Nobby has dealt with his new broom a bit better than McNamara has done. Especially when you consider what they both inherited.
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That's a 'no' then?
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| Quote Beechwood Bull="Beechwood Bull"That's a 'no' then?'"
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No I didn't. I knew perfectly well what you'd do. Nothing.
There are a number of precedents of football supporters organising, raising funds, purchasing shares and gaining a seat on the board. If Hood is the idiot you say then present a simple manifesto in which you could lay out simply the way forward and your experiences of running similar organisations. Suggest a small amount of money each person would have to pay and guage the response. This is a simple and progressive way forward for those not happy with the running of the club.
We clearly don't agree but from the number of posts you make on the matter you feel strongly and are prepared to put time and effort in. I'd also say you are not alone as others agree with you. All I'm saying is act for change. Be progressive and put forward an alternative so everyone can judge it.
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| Quote Beechwood Bull="Beechwood Bull"If Hood is the idiot you say.'"
Now where did I say that Hood was an idiot?
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Now where did I say that Hood was an idiot?'"
Somehow that was the inference I took from him employing a coach you call 'Macbanana'.
Manifesto?
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| Quote Beechwood Bull="Beechwood Bull"Somehow that was the inference I took from him employing a coach you call 'Macbanana'. '"
Well you are wrong. Just for your info however and to save you getting it wrong again, McBanana is not a term I have ever used. In fact, it was the brainchild of Ancient Provocateur (I think). It is now a widely used term by many but not by me. If Ancient Provocateur did not coin the original term he certainly immortalised it in song - see the McBanana thread. (I am sure that the inventor of the term will make themselves known soon enough)
Better to check your facts before you blunder on eh?
Quote Beechwood Bull="Beechwood Bull"Manifesto?'" Ah, yes. Our new Italian starlet. One for the future I believe. He will feature regularly on the bench next season but will get absolutely no game time whatsoever. 
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