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| And - If you are just out to get a reaction of any sort, I am a bit disappointed in you because that is what a troll looks to do. I thought you were trying to change peoples opinions on McNamara. It is the quality of your discussion in the threads - not the quantity of threads that will achieve that. I agree with AF - I think we have managed not bad this season with what we have had available in the financial climate we have had to work with. A different coach may have managed 4th place instead of 5th but that is about it.
Also - I don't think McNamara will be asked to go this close season and I also don't believe the board will countenance a mid season sacking (this isn't football - and it is also not the way Bradford does things) so he is here for another year. When is his contract up for renewal?
So it is fairly pointless how much criticism is laid at his feet at present because it is his and the teams performance next year that will decide things.
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"Why bother? I do not go to many games (not through choice I add), some people do. Therefore, their opinion is more valid. That is how it works right?
However, FWIW, are some people so dim as to realise that if i [idid not[/i care about the club then I would not give a damn about how bad we are doing?
As for the title "Don't You Just Love It?". Personally I was referring to the latest bunch of anti-McNamara threads started by others. It was meant to be ironic and provocative. It clearly worked as, despite comments to the contrary elsewhere, it has got a reaction.'"
TBH, Eddie, your posts come across a little like your mind was made up some time ago and now you're quite eager to be proved right. This may very well be unfair, but your reaction to the undeniably reasonable observation that McClennan gets much more assistance from his predecessor's youth policy than McNamara did little to disprove it.
I realise that I've come across as a dogmatic supporter of Hood and SM this season, but I guess that's because my view is this - they are prepared to do their respective jobs. That's no small thing in the absence of qualified candidates of a similar disposition.
This really is rehashing old ground - was thinking of posting another point along the lines of 'You think we've got it bad, look at Halifax', but I think we need one SM for/against thread, and then those who wish to avoid it can do so easily.
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| Quote Trimalchio="Trimalchio"My point is that coaches should not ideally be changed mid-season. Both Smith and McClennan came into the job having full off-seasons at Leeds, and in both cases the departing coaches left with some dignity. My argument is that McNamara should be given at least until the end of next season, unless the team are really poor.
The idea of Powell being 'promoted' may seem laughable now, and to be honest I don't think many Leeds fans are either embarrassed about it or care that much given the rewards reaped under Smith. In many ways it helped ease the transition. That said I'm not suggesting that something similar be done with McNamara if he is deemed to be surplus to requirements. I don't think he's the type who will accept being 'moved upstairs', or being turned into a number 2.'"
McNamara is already a number 2 coach.
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All these comments came from the man himself.
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3691350.Macca_bemoans_fine_line_between_success_and_failure/Macca bemoans fine line between success and failure
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3650770.McNamara_bullish_ahead_of_play_offs/McNamara bullish ahead of play-offs
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3567664.Nowhere_near_good_enough__admits_Macca/Nowhere near good enough, admits Macca
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3562946.McNamara__I_m_up_for_the_challenge/McNamara: I'm up for the challenge
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3202098.Bulls_must_exorcise_TV_demons/Bulls must exorcise TV demons
6:10pm Thursday 10th July 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3184173.McNamara_demands_improved_standards/McNamara demands improved standards
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3175041.Bulls_overcome_their_demons/Bulls overcome their demons
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2326996.McNamara_defiant_after_latest_setback/McNamara defiant after latest setback
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2325778.McNamara_wants_to_see_quality_streak/McNamara wants to see quality streak
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2311036.No_excuses_as_Bulls_crash_out_of_cup/No excuses as Bulls crash out of cup
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2290816.Bulls_must_go_back_to_basics/Bulls must go back to basics
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2246274.Macca_slams__dreadful__Bulls/Macca slams 'dreadful' Bulls
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2137937.Bulls_embarrassed_as_Rhinos_run_riot/Bulls embarrassed as Rhinos run riot
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2087067.Macca__No_cause_for_alarm/Macca: No cause for alarm
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2067956.McNamara_regret_as_Bulls_toss_it_away/McNamara regret as Bulls toss it away
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2033389.Early_days_yet__says_Macca_of__rusty__Bulls/Early days yet, says Macca of 'rusty' Bulls
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It's part of a coaches job to talk to the media, and if you're going to mention him bigging us up alot etc, would you rather him say we're cack?

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| Note to all. The Inquisitor is not me, nor a friend of mine. 
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| ''macca bullish ahead of playoffs''
and you are out at the first round
''macca: theres a whole lot more to come''
and you lose the first playoff game and are out
i think sometimes he does ''talk the talk'' but he certainly doesn't walk it.
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| Quote Highlander="Highlander"I thought you were trying to change peoples opinions on McNamara. '"
I don't care if anyone changes their mind or not TBH and if anyone did because of what I say then they are surely a bit weak are they not? What I do believe though is that people will make their own minds up judged on what they see going on, and more people are starting to raise their own doubts about him.
Quote Highlander="af"TBH, Eddie, your posts come across a little like your mind was made up some time ago and now you're quite eager to be proved right.
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My mind was clearly made up a long time ago. He should have been dumped after the Wigan embarrassment in 2007 but people have given their reasons why he should stay so let's see what he does about it. Look at the thread by "The Inquisitor" for example. A season of gripes, no improvement anywhere. In time I guess I will be proven right although he could prove us all wrong by turning around our fortunes in 2009. His latest recruitment is hardly installing a lot of confidence however, and these are sentiment echoed by numerous people on here.
Quote Highlander="af"This may very well be unfair, but your reaction to the undeniably reasonable observation that McClennan gets much more assistance from his predecessor's youth policy than McNamara did little to disprove it. '"
Because it comes across as yet another excuse to me. He may well have suffered but it still does not excuse his poor recruitment. If he did not think he could cope with the situaution at the start of his tenure then he should not look for any sympathy in being unable to deal with the situation. Also, it needs to be mentioned, in the interests of fairness that SM was part of his predecessors regime and surely had some sort of say in the matter?
It also does not help that there is a poster on this board, presumably acting as a mouthpiece for someone inside the ground that consistently slags off the youth players at the club (or ones that have been or will be released), which does make you wonder how much respect the youth is given at Bradford both now, and in the past. The Crossley issue (of which I am sure you are in the know about) also makes me question their interest in producing the youth players.
Quote Highlander="af"I realise that I've come across as a dogmatic supporter of Hood and SM this season, but I guess that's because my view is this - they are prepared to do their respective jobs. That's no small thing in the absence of qualified candidates of a similar disposition. '"
Fair comment. They will have supporters like they will have their detractors. They may well be prepared to do their respective jobs but it is a question of how well they are doing them that will encourage the debate.
Quote Highlander="af"but I think we need one SM for/against thread, and then those who wish to avoid it can do so easily. '"
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"I am not entrenched, unless that means being correct from day 1.'"
 Grow up Tigs  Nobody is correct ALL of the time - from Day 1 ??
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| Isn't it about time we had a poll on McBanana, to find out what everyone really thinks about hime? Now that the season is over and the memory of defeat is waning will allow people to be objective
Personally he's had his ups and downs not least in the treatment of the likes of Nero and Finnigan. But Im actually queitly impressed about our signings for next yaer. There is no burden of expectation unlike at clubs like Wigan and Warringting and I think we could suprise a few people.
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| Quote harigeorgeson="harigeorgeson"icon_rolleyes.gif Grow up Tigs
Nobody is correct ALL of the time - from Day 1 ??
Day 1 for you must have been one hell of an Event
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| Quote Ancient Provocateur="Ancient Provocateur"not least in the treatment of the likes of Nero and Finnigan. '"
I really don't see any issue with how either player has been treated.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"icon_confused.gif:
I really don't see any issue with how either player has been treated.'"
Nero has been moved from pillar to post which is not ideal when you are just starting at a new club and are struggling to return from several injuries. Finnigan being shown the door for money reasons when we are apparently spending a full cap  with no marqee signings to a cash rich club like Huddersfield  is pretty laughable. Why not just say you are not good enough mate on yer bike
I could also mention the likes of Halley who has outperformed the incucumber Platt yet has struggled to even get a game. For crying out loud McBanana has made some shocking decisions this season - but not once he has said mea culpa
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| Quote Ancient Provocateur="Ancient Provocateur"Isn't it about time we had a poll on McBanana, to find out what everyone really thinks about hime? Now that the season is over and the memory of defeat is waning will allow people to be objective
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Why not do one? I would but I cannot stand polls me. 
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If either of us started the poll FA and af would derail it. Someone more objective is needed like Bullseye, or MaccbullBIgBullyBooaza
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There is certainly more chance of me sending him a Valentine Card than there is of him sending me a Christmas one.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Agreed. It's make or break year in 2009 for him. We've had a bit of bad luck with injury this year but there wasn't much to suggest we could do better when everyone was on deck, the team was still dogged with inconsistency.
The facts as I see it is that performances aren't as good as they were because we're watching poorer quality players. Many of those are Macca recruits. Unless he can start to get better performances out of them his days will be numbered in my book.'"

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| Quote Ancient Provocateur="Ancient Provocateur"Nero has been moved from pillar to post '"
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